DWC CAP10 USAF

Scheds sometimes will throw the PB/PR days on your schedule after the GS is awarded (before it even starts), but they aren't required to do it until after the rotation has ended. I have seen it where my rotation blocks in later than scheduled, and I have to call scheds to get the PR times adjusted....it does not happen automatically.

BCan

i flew a 2nd 2-day GS within my block of x-days. Scheduling just moved my future Wed 0800 PR to 0800 on Friday. I called them, and the guy said “well, it’s a two day GS so we add two days”

DWC CAP10 USAF

without looking at your schedule, I can’t be exact with my answer.

Scheds has been known to sometime err in favor of the pilot (shocking I know) by adding one too many PB days...I believe most folks just keep their mouth shut and savor the minor victory.

Falcon20

They way I understand it is that your PR becomes a full PB day. Then you get PB and PR days based on the most recent trip. So a 2 day GS would give at least a PB and PR but if released after 1500 it would be 2 PB and a PR.

BCan

My understanding is that, domestically, you always get 9 hours added. That is why if you don’t have reserve days available for scheduling to add PB days in the current bid period - then 1500 becomes the magic time to get a “bonus PB day” in your bank since the +9 hours puts you over midnight and into the next day.

It appears to me that if you are receiving PB in the current bid period, then scheduling always applies 9 hours after release to start your PB calculation. That is how you get PR days...because your x-days no longer end at midnight.

I believe you are technically correct in saying the PR day becomes a PB day....but that’s because they are moving days right from release +9 hours onward. What I’d like to confirm is how the new PR calculates at the end. I cannot apply any equation referenced to my schedule and say I understand this process...and I’m confident that is because schedulers have just randomly added PBs to my schedule.

I’m going to have the union schedulers look and explain what should be calculated. I’ll report back.

bugman61

People often say that PRs automatically become PBs on subsequent awards, but that is not the case per the pwa. Scheduling sometimes even does it that way incorrectly.

It’s all just fancy coding for x days that start at times other than midnight. After you have had a GS, every x day in the block until you go back on call ends at other than midnight (unless you had an exact 1500 release). Subsequent GS all depend on how many 24 hour periods are interrupted or remaining in the block. Take a look at scenario 3 in the scheduling alert. A 2 day trip only interrupts one x day because the x day goes from 2000 on the 11th until 2000 on the 12th. So the pilot only gets one PB day for that interruption (the 9 hours take him to 0300, and the other 2 x days are from the scheduled x days he originally had on 13 and 14)

BCan

great explanation.

For my education, let’s modify scenario 3. Instead of a mix of reserve and x-days...let’s say they are all x days. So for this example, say the first rotation 3307 adds a PB on the 17th and 18th with the PR ending at 2000 on the 19th. Then you fly GS 3308 per the example. How does the 19th 20th 21st shake out?

bugman61

They are treated the same. All the remaining x days in the block become Pb+ 1pr because they are all moved to begin at other than midnight. You will go back on call at the end of the pr and then resume normal x days after that next block. For you scenario everything should be PB until the 18th with PR on the 19th. The next trip makes the 19th a PB and the 29th PR ending at 0300. Only one addition PB day because only 1 “day” was interrupted by the 2 day GS.

In reality they will probably not do it correctly. They may leave the x days on your schedule as x days instead of sliding them. Then the next scheduler will see 2 x days interrupted when it’s really only 1 (2000-2000). I’ve had as many errors in my favor as I have against me.

BCan

I think I’ve had a minor break through.

confirm... if I’m rolling Thunder over two weeks of x-days that result in a PR two weeks in the future...all two weeks of my x-days post first GS calc have shifted by the PR delta.

in other words, I look out two weeks and see a 2000 P/R - now my X-days are 2000 to 2000 until modified again by another GS?

bugman61

Exactly. Every x day in that block goes from 2000 to 2000. And when calculating what was interrupted that’s what should count for future Gs.

That being said, my last GS they left x days as is and just added a Pb/pr at the end. If I had a future Gs the scheduler probably would just assume that things started at midnight and get it wrong (likely in my favor). The more you get in a month the more likely they are to make errors. Most people fix the ones in the company’s favor and ignore the others.