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12-29-2017, 05:12 PM
#1931
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
The A350 manuals absolutely suck. You could throw out about 400 pages (I am not kidding) of the Vol 2 and wouldn't miss anything essential.
12-29-2017, 05:27 PM
#1932
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
I agree and I use it often, but that doesn't mean having VNAV/Managed work in heading mode wouldn't be a nice feature. It would have been helpful on many arrivals in AMS. Plus, pretty much every time I touch the V/S knob, the Captain freaks out...then goes on about how this isn't the 737, blah blah blah. Then when he gets a short notice restriction, rather than going to V/S, he scrambles through the 12 step process, fix info, abeam, pull for heading, etc... Then is full boards and speeding up when he figures out we are way above the path. 
3:1 math quick and a transition to V/S or FPV fix things very quick with high accuracy on every airplane... then go banging away at the MCDU to back you up with the tennis ball/barney's butthole.
12-29-2017, 05:28 PM
#1933
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Personal experience? Just looked on DeltaNet. Seems the 350 gurus didn't even bother to convert Vol 1 and/or Vol 2 to "Delta Common."
12-29-2017, 05:29 PM
#1934
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
We may be going towards Airbus fcom. Idk. I'll ask. But the 320 vol 2 changed recently to more fcom like, which btw, is changing to less technical material.
...and chock freaking full of errors!
12-29-2017, 05:51 PM
#1935
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
...and chock freaking full of errors!
Best systems book ever was the CRJ200 FCOM. Enough schematics, PSI’s and voltages to make an engineer wet his pants. Absorb what you want, discard the rest.
Now they’re written by interns whose second language is English.
12-29-2017, 05:57 PM
#1936
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Hey now, 320 fctm had like 3 or 4 places referencing the stick shaker...
Btw, there was a vendor issue on the 320 vol 2 that could not be resolved. They had to publish it and next rewrite will have a new vendor.
Btw, there was a vendor issue on the 320 vol 2 that could not be resolved. They had to publish it and next rewrite will have a new vendor.
12-29-2017, 06:01 PM
#1937
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Errors? You want errors? 2 years on the 717 and the Vol 2 is still a doozy. 4 pages on how the toilets work (all wrong.) Maybe 6 pages on the Autoflight System (mostly wrong.) No wonder no one reads them.
Best systems book ever was the CRJ200 FCOM. Enough schematics, PSI’s and voltages to make an engineer wet his pants. Absorb what you want, discard the rest.
Now they’re written by interns whose second language is English.
Best systems book ever was the CRJ200 FCOM. Enough schematics, PSI’s and voltages to make an engineer wet his pants. Absorb what you want, discard the rest.
Now they’re written by interns whose second language is English.
But there was no 717 afm. Or something along those lines, whatever it was the book didn't exist. I think PLAD wanted it in there because the 737 has it.
12-29-2017, 06:17 PM
#1938
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I think the 717 fleet was forced to write in the books "reference afm..."
But there was no 717 afm. Or something along those lines, whatever it was the book didn't exist. I think PLAD wanted it in there because the 737 has it.
But there was no 717 afm. Or something along those lines, whatever it was the book didn't exist. I think PLAD wanted it in there because the 737 has it.
When I went through 737 and ER schools, however, I was very impressed with the Vol2’s. It’s as if they took an engineer PhD and an English PhD and put them in a room together and told them to write a factual systems description — oh and by the way update it every 6 months or so. With the 717 it was: Just knock it out Suraj and maybe you’ll get a job at Boeing one day.
In either case, more pictures and fewer paragraphs are what pilots really want.
12-29-2017, 06:36 PM
#1939
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
My take: The 717 is the red-headed step child of the Boeing Borg. They don’t support it. They had an intern write the Vol2 15 years ago and no one has paid much attention to it since. I’ve seen a fair amount of grammatical errors and contradictions.
When I went through 737 and ER schools, however, I was very impressed with the Vol2’s. It’s as if they took an engineer PhD and an English PhD and put them in a room together and told them to write a factual systems description — oh and by the way update it every 6 months or so. With the 717 it was: Just knock it out Suraj and maybe you’ll get a job at Boeing one day.
In either case, more pictures and fewer paragraphs are what pilots really want.
When I went through 737 and ER schools, however, I was very impressed with the Vol2’s. It’s as if they took an engineer PhD and an English PhD and put them in a room together and told them to write a factual systems description — oh and by the way update it every 6 months or so. With the 717 it was: Just knock it out Suraj and maybe you’ll get a job at Boeing one day.
In either case, more pictures and fewer paragraphs are what pilots really want.
12-29-2017, 06:56 PM
#1940
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
The A350 manuals absolutely suck. You could throw out about 400 pages (I am not kidding) of the Vol 2 and wouldn't miss anything essential.
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