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Old 01-27-2019, 04:29 AM
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Nice publicity stunt. Still won’t make that route work. Read the fine print!
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Old 01-27-2019, 06:06 AM
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Nice publicity stunt. Still won’t make that route work. Read the fine print!
Yep, 42 pax was the "representative payload." Like the speedbird 318 that does the Concorde thing, super premium NY-london with a light load of business class. Albeit slower.
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Old 01-27-2019, 03:51 PM
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The President of Airbus Commercial said that after the production plant in the US is finished, they plan a stretch on the A220. The A220-500 being the CS500 that was canceled when Bombardier fell on hard times, is the speculation.


The stretch is probably because the A318/319 is going away as it doesn't sell. No idea if that's the case, but it makes sense.
I guess I dont get it. I googled it but I ignore CEO speak nowadays. I just dont see why they would ever build a 150 seater with currently no demand and have it compete with a popular 150 seater they build 60 or 70 a month of and probably makes them a fortune on each frame.
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Old 01-27-2019, 03:53 PM
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I guess I dont get it. I googled it but I ignore CEO speak nowadays. I just dont see why they would ever build a 150 seater with currently no demand and have it compete with a popular 150 seater they build 60 or 70 a month of and probably makes them a fortune on each frame.
A 150 seater with 20% less fuel burn due to GTF engines.
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Old 01-28-2019, 01:53 AM
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I guess I dont get it. I googled it but I ignore CEO speak nowadays. I just dont see why they would ever build a 150 seater with currently no demand and have it compete with a popular 150 seater they build 60 or 70 a month of and probably makes them a fortune on each frame.
My guess would be upgrades to the A321 aircraft would probably make the A320/A319 no longer attractive. The A320/19 is already dead at Delta, and will be replaced by larger A321s, and probably the A322 when that comes out. That leaves a gap the A220-500 fits in.

You buy 100 A322s, and 100 A220-500s, and move all 76 RJs to 50 seater routes, and that's fleet renewal through 2030 and beyond. The A322 is a better investment, as the 797 is more than a decade away, probably most here will be retired by the time it shows up.

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A 150 seater with 20% less fuel burn due to GTF engines.
It's not the engines completely, it's the total weight.

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Old 01-28-2019, 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF View Post
A 150 seater with 20% less fuel burn due to GTF engines.

That's what this is, but with 4,200 orders:

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Old 01-28-2019, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
My guess would be upgrades to the A321 aircraft would probably make the A320/A319 no longer attractive. The A320/19 is already dead at Delta, and will be replaced by larger A321s, and probably the A322 when that comes out. That leaves a gap the A220-500 fits in.

You buy 100 A322s, and 100 A220-500s, and move all 76 RJs to 50 seater routes, and that's fleet renewal through 2030 and beyond. The A322 is a better investment, as the 797 is more than a decade away, probably most here will be retired by the time it shows up.


It's not the engines completely, it's the total weight.
In a recent meeting they're looking at extending the life of the 320s and 319s. That program requires an enhanced cockpit that matches the 321 and the cost of it was very very reasonable.

So we were told that if we excerise the 100 neo options, likely, on the 321s then we easily could have a total A320 fleet in the 450 range between 200 neos, 130ish 321s and the 57/62 319s and 320s. I think 40 of the 320s are early 90s, the rest are very late 90s and 2000s. It was brought up when they bragged on the efficiency of reducing differing types at out stations.

Imho i think we stuck to the "we are not ordering new technology until its proven" and watched the Neos and Max's quickly rack up 6500 and 5000 orders respectively.

By the time the 220 "proves itself" in CEO speak it'll be 20 years old. It's already 10 now. Why would Airbus bet the future on that especially if the cockpit cant mix with 319, 320, 321, 330, 340, 350, 380 and they still have 1000s of orders to fill?

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In a recent meeting they're looking at extending the life of the 320s and 319s. That program requires an enhanced cockpit that matches the 321 and the cost of it was very very reasonable.

So we were told that if we excerise the 100 neo options, likely, on the 321s then we easily could have a total A320 fleet in the 450 range between 200 neos, 130ish 321s and the 57/62 319s and 320s. I think 40 of the 320s are early 90s, the rest are very late 90s and 2000s. It was brought up when they bragged on the efficiency of reducing differing types at out stations.

Imho i think we stuck to the "we are not ordering new technology until its proven" and watched the Neos and Max's quickly rack up 6500 and 5000 orders respectively.

By the time the 220 "proves itself" in CEO speak it'll be 20 years old. It's already 10 now. Why would Airbus bet the future on that especially if the cockpit cant mix with 319, 320, 321, 330, 340, 350, 380 and they still have 1000s of orders to fill?
That's what I'm speculating, those 100 neo options will probably be A322s. The additional options on the A220 will probably be 500s. I'm talking 2030, and beyond time frame wise. The 717 and A320/319 will be around for at least another decade. However, in that time frame, the 797 isn't going to appear, so a long range airplane that sits between the A330 and 321/739 is probably going to be a good idea to get.



As to why Airbus will build the A220-500, is because it would be a simple stretch, and add more viability to that program. It wouldn't compete directly with the A320 due to the lost range by the stretch.
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I don’t speak Frenchy....what is an A-322?
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Old 01-28-2019, 07:30 AM
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I have heard one of the big issues when anylizing replacing the 757 with the 321 isn't range but cargo capacity. Apparently this is due to brake energy limits on the 321 due to the single truck landing gear.
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