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Old 10-17-2017, 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by n9810f View Post
Early word is we've told Airbus we will wait for them to set up the Mobile delivery center until taking the CS-100. So that means the Mad Dog and some -90's will be flying longer than originally planned...
I wonder if we will see an Airbus order to replace some of the 90's?
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Old 10-17-2017, 01:43 AM
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Its a good bet there is more to this deal than meets the eye.

Im not sure ab wud have been all broken up about boeing making the c series unviable..

So there are moving parts we cant see, and maybe shudnt see.
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Old 10-17-2017, 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Green Squirrel View Post
Airbus and BBD team up. This is HUGE!



http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press...agreement.html


How does this affect the 300% tariff?
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Old 10-17-2017, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
I just read they are not going to close the Canadian assembly line with the opening of the Alabama one. That's really odd to open a second line for just Delta's orders.
Technically it's for all US customers, which while currently is only Delta, I'm sure they are hoping to get more orders from other US airlines in the future.
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Old 10-17-2017, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ItnStln View Post
How does this affect the 300% tariff?
The Cseries is now an Airbus USA product, so no tariff.
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Old 10-17-2017, 05:08 AM
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I have to say that Boeing really ticked me off with this lawsuit. Look at all the widebodies Boeing sells with taxpayer subsidies via the ExIm bank and look at all the tax "incentives" Boeing keeps receiving in WA & SC.
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I really hope this is awesome news for us and bombardier and airbus for that matter;
Boeing will probably partner with another manufacturer like embreaer or something. As far as Boeing goes, Delta is not even a large customer as far as future orders go so I think they will be ok.
I also suspect an order from more than one us carrier is coming.
There will be as many c series flying in 10 years as there were dc 9s and md88s, especially if they build the 500 model
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Old 10-17-2017, 05:23 AM
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P&W claims to have a new engine that beats turboprop efficiency. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ss-gtf-442172/
The Cseries may be replacing the A319/A320 market, and an all new airplane will replace the A321 and larger market. Domestic widebody flying would increase significantly with this new engine.
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Old 10-17-2017, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
The Cseries is now an Airbus USA product, so no tariff.
There is a 80% tariff for dumping that will more than likely go away.....what about the 220% tariff for government subsidies? Does that go away?

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Old 10-17-2017, 06:31 AM
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This is an astounding development. Not just for Delta, but for Airbus, Boeing, Bombardier, and International Business in general.

For years, Boeing has tipped the scales with the ExIm bank, backed by the most powerful government in the world, and backstopped by a defense industry the likes of which the world has never seen. The arrogance, the lawyers, the lobbying, the anti-union scheming and manoevering-- not just their own workers but airlines as well...the predatory and dictatorial style of their management... all created the 900lb gorilla that they are today.

I thought that Airbus would just sit by and watch Bombardier go out of business, after all, it's a two player industry right now. I didn't consider the fact that by having the Mobile plant, they are doing what the Automotive industry has done since the 80's and the Toyota light truck tarriffs... Build it here!

The beauty of this is that the 'loose' laws about where things are built, which were largely influenced by Boeing's end run around their unions, has come back to bite them in the ***--- hard! Gotta love it! Seriously, Boeing can suck it! I'm sure the offices in Chicago are filled with people pointing fingers at each other, throwing tantrums and trying to hide under their desks! It's brilliant!

For Delta, this is amazing news. The pipeline from Mobile will be filled with red, white, and Delta Blue jets for years to come. And Airbus gains the high ground in the small jet market, one they should now be able to hold for decades to come. The system architecture on the C Series is state of the art. They may even incorporate some of it into future producs, but for now, they will drive what airlines do in the regional market, a market that has more airframes and daily departures than mainline, and that's a very, very good thing for Delta pilots, so long as we don't sell ourselves out.

This is very exciting news, and speaks volumes to the quality of the CSeries jet, and I expect we will see many more of these at our airline. As Bob Z said, we may not have known what has been going on behind the scenes with Delta, Airbus and Bombardier. My hat's off to our management if they helped orchestrate this, and certainly to Airbus for the bold and brilliant move.
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