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12-31-2017, 09:07 AM
#1961
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Originally Posted by tunes
that's just an opinion. Nothing about knowing how a drop of fuel gets from the fuel truck to the engine makes you a professional.
12-31-2017, 09:33 AM
#1962
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Nope, that is a fact. Having suffered thru 20+ years of the Air Force's "You're a molecule of air, cool me" approach to training, I agree that the "build the airplane" mindset is not indicitive of professionalism. However, the mindset of, "I'm not reading it if they don't pay me" is also not indicative of a professional. Pretty sure most professionals don't adhere to the "If the minimums weren't good enough, they wouldn't be minimums" philosophy. And therein lies the big debate as to whether airline pilots are professionals or merely highly compensated hourly wage workers. The longer I am in the biz, the more I lean toward the latter.
I wasn't saying for the mentality of they don't pay me to read it so I don't. I'm saying that simply reading the vol 2 doesn't make you a professional
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12-31-2017, 09:38 AM
#1963
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Originally Posted by tunes
I wasn't saying for the mentality of they don't pay me to read it so I don't. I'm saying that simply reading the vol 2 doesn't make you a professional
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12-31-2017, 05:20 PM
#1964
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Oh gosh. Guys flipped out on me using V/S in the Boeings, too. Button pushers that don't understand why they are doing what they are doing can get extremely annoying.
3:1 math quick and a transition to V/S or FPV fix things very quick with high accuracy on every airplane... then go banging away at the MCDU to back you up with the tennis ball/barney's butthole.
3:1 math quick and a transition to V/S or FPV fix things very quick with high accuracy on every airplane... then go banging away at the MCDU to back you up with the tennis ball/barney's butthole.
12-31-2017, 05:22 PM
#1965
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Errors? You want errors? 2 years on the 717 and the Vol 2 is still a doozy. 4 pages on how the toilets work (all wrong.) Maybe 6 pages on the Autoflight System (mostly wrong.) No wonder no one reads them.
Best systems book ever was the CRJ200 FCOM. Enough schematics, PSI’s and voltages to make an engineer wet his pants. Absorb what you want, discard the rest.
Now they’re written by interns whose second language is English.
Best systems book ever was the CRJ200 FCOM. Enough schematics, PSI’s and voltages to make an engineer wet his pants. Absorb what you want, discard the rest.
Now they’re written by interns whose second language is English.
12-31-2017, 09:03 PM
#1966
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Originally Posted by gloopy
01-01-2018, 07:34 AM
#1967
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
That's how the 717 vol 2 was. "I'm going to read the vol 2 from cover to cover... okay I'm 3 pages in, saw the specs... lavatory, How it works... okay I'm in...2 pages of lav... 3... 4.5..6? 7?? 8!?!?? ### it. Not reading this."
Shiraj just gave up in 2000.
01-01-2018, 07:35 AM
#1968
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Absolutely nothing wrong with that because DL (and, by extension, the FAA) only expects you to know enough to pass the eSV and oral (recall items, limitations and walk-around slides). However, you have quite succinctly illustrated the difference in mentality between a professional and an hourly wage earner.
01-01-2018, 07:41 AM
#1969
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Nope, that is a fact. Having suffered thru 20+ years of the Air Force's "You're a molecule of air, cool me" approach to training, I agree that the "build the airplane" mindset is not indicitive of professionalism. However, the mindset of, "I'm not reading it if they don't pay me" is also not indicative of a professional. Pretty sure most professionals don't adhere to the "If the minimums weren't good enough, they wouldn't be minimums" philosophy. And therein lies the big debate as to whether airline pilots are professionals or merely highly compensated hourly wage workers. The longer I am in the biz, the more I lean toward the latter.
Glad I won't be around then.
The old joke about the pilot and a dog are starting to look more and more likely, except the dog will be working 10-15 flights from the ATL and you will only be there to turn on the autopilot.
01-03-2018, 12:53 PM
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Yet ANOTHER example of why Boeing’s claim that the CSeries is hurting 737 MAX 7 orders is BOGUS! Southwest is deferring MAX 7 orders until 2023 and upguaging to 737 MAX 8 airplanes - and that is not Bombardier’s fault...
See article below:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/03/southwest-airlines-wants-larger-boeing-737-max-8s-soon.html
See article below:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/03/southwest-airlines-wants-larger-boeing-737-max-8s-soon.html
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