C Series Info
06-21-2017, 04:15 PM
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C Series Info
Thought I'd start a thread on the newest aircraft in DL's.. or anyone's fleet. Where will it be based? What routes? Training footprint? Technical stuff, videos, you get the idea... let the seething contempt and indifference begin!
06-21-2017, 05:23 PM
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Every Delta thread has numerous information about the C Series, so I don't really see a point of this thread. To summarize, here is all the info I have on it:
1. It has the ability to fly long distances efficiently allowing for trans-con routes to smaller airports that can't support a 737-800.
2. It is an awesome airplane that passengers will love. It has big cockpit windows and a great avionics package that pilots will appreciate.
3. Initially, it will be based on the west coast in SEA... make that LAX... no make that SEA. But it will also initially be based in NYC to replace the MD-88. But it will also be used to test the virtual base idea and placed in MCI... make that DFW... no AUS. OK, there will be a SEA, LAX, NYC, MCI, DFW, and AUS base for about 20 airplanes that can likely be delivered in the amount of time that it takes to open all of those bases.
4. It will be junior since it is a small airplane with a lower pay rate. But it will also be senior because it will do lots of long thin routes that allow for efficient high credit trips. But it will be junior because it will also do a bunch of shorter routes that the 717 and MD-88 do. But it will be sort of senior because 717 and MD-88 pilots will bid the CSeries because it has a nicer cockpit. But it will be junior because there will be fewer planes, so there will be fewer good trips.
Most of this stuff was acquired from people on the 4th at Delta or actual pilots who are working with Swiss Air to develop our training material. As you can see most of this info contradicts itself and a single particular pilot involved in the CSeries program told me that the first base would be SEA, then he said, it would be NYC, and then he said LAX all within the same conversation!
I am not saying that all this information is bogus, but I think Delta's plan for the CSeries changes so rapidly that the true information people obtained from official meetings is outdated by the time those people have a chance to tell anyone.
No one knows the actual first base. No one knows what kind of trips it will do (just like every other plane at Delta). No one knows how senior it will go. Now let's return to speculating about how great the 797 will be.
1. It has the ability to fly long distances efficiently allowing for trans-con routes to smaller airports that can't support a 737-800.
2. It is an awesome airplane that passengers will love. It has big cockpit windows and a great avionics package that pilots will appreciate.
3. Initially, it will be based on the west coast in SEA... make that LAX... no make that SEA. But it will also initially be based in NYC to replace the MD-88. But it will also be used to test the virtual base idea and placed in MCI... make that DFW... no AUS. OK, there will be a SEA, LAX, NYC, MCI, DFW, and AUS base for about 20 airplanes that can likely be delivered in the amount of time that it takes to open all of those bases.
4. It will be junior since it is a small airplane with a lower pay rate. But it will also be senior because it will do lots of long thin routes that allow for efficient high credit trips. But it will be junior because it will also do a bunch of shorter routes that the 717 and MD-88 do. But it will be sort of senior because 717 and MD-88 pilots will bid the CSeries because it has a nicer cockpit. But it will be junior because there will be fewer planes, so there will be fewer good trips.
Most of this stuff was acquired from people on the 4th at Delta or actual pilots who are working with Swiss Air to develop our training material. As you can see most of this info contradicts itself and a single particular pilot involved in the CSeries program told me that the first base would be SEA, then he said, it would be NYC, and then he said LAX all within the same conversation!
I am not saying that all this information is bogus, but I think Delta's plan for the CSeries changes so rapidly that the true information people obtained from official meetings is outdated by the time those people have a chance to tell anyone.
No one knows the actual first base. No one knows what kind of trips it will do (just like every other plane at Delta). No one knows how senior it will go. Now let's return to speculating about how great the 797 will be.
06-21-2017, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
I'm sure David Puddy will be along shortly to answer all of your questions. 
In all seriousness, I always enjoy reading his CSeries posts. Very informative and well researched.
06-22-2017, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
Every Delta thread has numerous information about the C Series, so I don't really see a point of this thread. To summarize, here is all the info I have on it:
1. It has the ability to fly long distances efficiently allowing for trans-con routes to smaller airports that can't support a 737-800.
2. It is an awesome airplane that passengers will love. It has big cockpit windows and a great avionics package that pilots will appreciate.
3. Initially, it will be based on the west coast in SEA... make that LAX... no make that SEA. But it will also initially be based in NYC to replace the MD-88. But it will also be used to test the virtual base idea and placed in MCI... make that DFW... no AUS. OK, there will be a SEA, LAX, NYC, MCI, DFW, and AUS base for about 20 airplanes that can likely be delivered in the amount of time that it takes to open all of those bases.
4. It will be junior since it is a small airplane with a lower pay rate. But it will also be senior because it will do lots of long thin routes that allow for efficient high credit trips. But it will be junior because it will also do a bunch of shorter routes that the 717 and MD-88 do. But it will be sort of senior because 717 and MD-88 pilots will bid the CSeries because it has a nicer cockpit. But it will be junior because there will be fewer planes, so there will be fewer good trips.
Most of this stuff was acquired from people on the 4th at Delta or actual pilots who are working with Swiss Air to develop our training material. As you can see most of this info contradicts itself and a single particular pilot involved in the CSeries program told me that the first base would be SEA, then he said, it would be NYC, and then he said LAX all within the same conversation!
I am not saying that all this information is bogus, but I think Delta's plan for the CSeries changes so rapidly that the true information people obtained from official meetings is outdated by the time those people have a chance to tell anyone.
No one knows the actual first base. No one knows what kind of trips it will do (just like every other plane at Delta). No one knows how senior it will go. Now let's return to speculating about how great the 797 will be.
1. It has the ability to fly long distances efficiently allowing for trans-con routes to smaller airports that can't support a 737-800.
2. It is an awesome airplane that passengers will love. It has big cockpit windows and a great avionics package that pilots will appreciate.
3. Initially, it will be based on the west coast in SEA... make that LAX... no make that SEA. But it will also initially be based in NYC to replace the MD-88. But it will also be used to test the virtual base idea and placed in MCI... make that DFW... no AUS. OK, there will be a SEA, LAX, NYC, MCI, DFW, and AUS base for about 20 airplanes that can likely be delivered in the amount of time that it takes to open all of those bases.
4. It will be junior since it is a small airplane with a lower pay rate. But it will also be senior because it will do lots of long thin routes that allow for efficient high credit trips. But it will be junior because it will also do a bunch of shorter routes that the 717 and MD-88 do. But it will be sort of senior because 717 and MD-88 pilots will bid the CSeries because it has a nicer cockpit. But it will be junior because there will be fewer planes, so there will be fewer good trips.
Most of this stuff was acquired from people on the 4th at Delta or actual pilots who are working with Swiss Air to develop our training material. As you can see most of this info contradicts itself and a single particular pilot involved in the CSeries program told me that the first base would be SEA, then he said, it would be NYC, and then he said LAX all within the same conversation!
I am not saying that all this information is bogus, but I think Delta's plan for the CSeries changes so rapidly that the true information people obtained from official meetings is outdated by the time those people have a chance to tell anyone.
No one knows the actual first base. No one knows what kind of trips it will do (just like every other plane at Delta). No one knows how senior it will go. Now let's return to speculating about how great the 797 will be.
Bombardier now needs to ramp-up selling and get some more orders. Airlines like JetBlue that use older and less-versatile E190s could be great candidates for the CS100. Korean will be starting CS300 service shortly which will be a boost to the program...
Three links I would add to this thread:
1. https://blog.swiss.com/en/2017/04/pi...bardier-cs-100
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np5vhYHLU_8
3. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FHFsZc4okcY
I think the CS100 will be very well liked by pax, pilots, route planners and the inevitable bean counters....
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06-22-2017, 08:45 AM
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This is also a great flight review of the CS300 by Aviation Week's Fred George:
Pilot Report: Bombardier?s C Series Sets New Standard | Commercial Aviation content from Aviation Week
Two relevant paragraphs from the flight review article above:
"I have yet to fly a jetliner with more docile yet responsive handling qualities. Bombardier uses fly-by-wire to tame untoward aerodynamic, configuration and thrust behaviors rather than isolating pilots from the aircraft. The semi-active sidesticks are a leap forward in situational awareness. The speed-stable control law also helps keep flight crews in the loop, providing a natural feel.
Cockpit ergonomics are top-notch in this class, with colors, symbols and graphics used only when needed to enhance situational awareness in the otherwise quiet, dark cockpit. I would like to fly the aircraft again once the optional head-up display is certified, as well as the optional electronic flight bags."
Evidently it "sets the new standard."
I recently read the 737-Max and A321 NEO flight reviews and the aviation writers who flew them were unimpressed (beyond the expected fuel efficiency improvement). The writer who flew the A321 NEO said the cockpit was the same as the A318 cockpit he had flown 14 years ago............ It's like driving an old Ford Taurus with better gas mileage.
Pilot Report: Bombardier?s C Series Sets New Standard | Commercial Aviation content from Aviation Week
Two relevant paragraphs from the flight review article above:
"I have yet to fly a jetliner with more docile yet responsive handling qualities. Bombardier uses fly-by-wire to tame untoward aerodynamic, configuration and thrust behaviors rather than isolating pilots from the aircraft. The semi-active sidesticks are a leap forward in situational awareness. The speed-stable control law also helps keep flight crews in the loop, providing a natural feel.
Cockpit ergonomics are top-notch in this class, with colors, symbols and graphics used only when needed to enhance situational awareness in the otherwise quiet, dark cockpit. I would like to fly the aircraft again once the optional head-up display is certified, as well as the optional electronic flight bags."
Evidently it "sets the new standard."
I recently read the 737-Max and A321 NEO flight reviews and the aviation writers who flew them were unimpressed (beyond the expected fuel efficiency improvement). The writer who flew the A321 NEO said the cockpit was the same as the A318 cockpit he had flown 14 years ago............ It's like driving an old Ford Taurus with better gas mileage.
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06-22-2017, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
This is also a great flight review of the CS300 by Aviation Week's Fred George:
Pilot Report: Bombardier?s C Series Sets New Standard | Commercial Aviation content from Aviation Week
Two relevant paragraphs from the flight review article above:
"I have yet to fly a jetliner with more docile yet responsive handling qualities. Bombardier uses fly-by-wire to tame untoward aerodynamic, configuration and thrust behaviors rather than isolating pilots from the aircraft. The semi-active sidesticks are a leap forward in situational awareness. The speed-stable control law also helps keep flight crews in the loop, providing a natural feel.
Cockpit ergonomics are top-notch in this class, with colors, symbols and graphics used only when needed to enhance situational awareness in the otherwise quiet, dark cockpit. I would like to fly the aircraft again once the optional head-up display is certified, as well as the optional electronic flight bags."
Evidently it "sets the new standard."
I recently read the 737-Max and A321 NEO flight reviews and the aviation writers who flew them were unimpressed (beyond the expected fuel efficiency improvement). The writer who flew the A321 NEO said the cockpit was the same as the A318 cockpit he had flown 14 years ago............ It's like driving an old Ford Taurus with better gas mileage.
Pilot Report: Bombardier?s C Series Sets New Standard | Commercial Aviation content from Aviation Week
Two relevant paragraphs from the flight review article above:
"I have yet to fly a jetliner with more docile yet responsive handling qualities. Bombardier uses fly-by-wire to tame untoward aerodynamic, configuration and thrust behaviors rather than isolating pilots from the aircraft. The semi-active sidesticks are a leap forward in situational awareness. The speed-stable control law also helps keep flight crews in the loop, providing a natural feel.
Cockpit ergonomics are top-notch in this class, with colors, symbols and graphics used only when needed to enhance situational awareness in the otherwise quiet, dark cockpit. I would like to fly the aircraft again once the optional head-up display is certified, as well as the optional electronic flight bags."
Evidently it "sets the new standard."
I recently read the 737-Max and A321 NEO flight reviews and the aviation writers who flew them were unimpressed (beyond the expected fuel efficiency improvement). The writer who flew the A321 NEO said the cockpit was the same as the A318 cockpit he had flown 14 years ago............ It's like driving an old Ford Taurus with better gas mileage.
Do you have a C-Series poster on the ceiling above your bed?
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