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Scoop 07-28-2017 04:14 AM

RJ Scope
 
Interesting article on the MRJ which I thought did not meet our Scope due to its gross weight not to mention 92 passengers. The article says that some of DAL's connection carriers already have orders.

Any Scope experts care to chime in? This could be an issue in our next contract.

Scoop


Sharp-nosed Japanese jetliner could be game changer for U.S. flyers - Jun. 20, 2017

sailingfun 07-28-2017 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2400633)
Interesting article on the MRJ which I thought did not meet our Scope due to its gross weight not to mention 92 passengers. The article says that some of DAL's connection carriers already have orders.

Any Scope experts care to chime in? This could be an issue in our next contract.

Scoop


Sharp-nosed Japanese jetliner could be game changer for U.S. flyers - Jun. 20, 2017

There is a scope compliant version of the jet (MRJ70) that no one really wants. SkyWest is the airline with a large order for the aircraft. As long as it's the MRJ70 shorter range version no issues. If they announce that they intend to acquire the MRJ90 than Delta must terminate all outsourced flying to SkyWest within 9 months of the announced intent to acquire the aircraft.
The SkyWest order is for the MRJ90 but can be optioned down to the 70. Not quite sure how that fits with the 9 month language. That would be a scope committee question. Reading it myself it seems they might be currently in violation. It's a question that should be asked.

KnotSoFast 07-28-2017 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2400633)
Interesting article on the MRJ which I thought did not meet our Scope due to its gross weight not to mention 92 passengers. The article says that some of DAL's connection carriers already have orders.

Any Scope experts care to chime in? This could be an issue in our next contract.

Scoop


Sharp-nosed Japanese jetliner could be game changer for U.S. flyers - Jun. 20, 2017

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I personally believe RJ scope concerns will move to the back burner on their own. And possibly sooner than currently envisioned. A little bird said that ongoing negotiations with BBD hinge on them taking back a bunch of smaller RJs early in return for other considerations in our C-Series buy.

Going forward, as we build up the lower gauge portion of our fleet with more efficient planes, outsourced RJ flying will become increasingly irrelevant.
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Denny Crane 07-28-2017 06:03 AM

Here is a "what if." SkyWest has the MRJ-90 on order......We all know the current configuration of them violates our scope clause.......What if the SkyWest version is "certified" within our scope clause limits? Would that still violate our scope or not?

Denny

sailingfun 07-28-2017 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2400663)
Here is a "what if." SkyWest has the MRJ-90 on order......We all know the current configuration of them violates our scope clause.......What if the SkyWest version is "certified" within our scope clause limits? Would that still violate our scope or not?

Denny

They tried to build a scope compliant version of the 90 seater however they simply could not get under the weight limit. That version also had a range of about two blocks. The 70 seat version is compliant as long as you don't order the ER version.

sailingfun 07-28-2017 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by KnotSoFast (Post 2400662)
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I personally believe RJ scope concerns will move to the back burner on their own. And possibly sooner than currently envisioned. A little bird said that ongoing negotiations with BBD hinge on them taking back a bunch of smaller RJs early in return for other considerations in our C-Series buy.

Going forward, as we build up the lower gauge portion of our fleet with more efficient planes, outsourced RJ flying will become increasingly irrelevant.
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If we allow the ERJ90 or the E2 EMB to be outsourced I can assure you that when the 717's are retired they will not be replaced. Our small narrow body fleet will be 75 C series and not a airframe more.

DashTrash 07-28-2017 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2400633)
Interesting article on the MRJ which I thought did not meet our Scope due to its gross weight not to mention 92 passengers. The article says that some of DAL's connection carriers already have orders.

Any Scope experts care to chime in? This could be an issue in our next contract.

Scoop


Sharp-nosed Japanese jetliner could be game changer for U.S. flyers - Jun. 20, 2017

I believe that your Scope section almost the same as ours here at UAL? I believe that your Scope limits RJs to 76 seat AND 86,000 MGTOW (except for the original ERJ175s that Compass currently flies), which their MGTOW is 89,000. So any aircraft outside of any of those parameters is in violation of your Scope section.

msprj2 07-28-2017 06:40 AM

Doesn't article state some time in 2020? 3 years from now and still in the testing phase. I don't know your contact but I don't see how it could be in violation.

sailingfun 07-28-2017 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2400687)
Doesn't article state some time in 2020? 3 years from now and still in the testing phase. I don't know your contact but I don't see how it could be in violation.

Here is the language:
Exception: If a carrier or an affiliate of a carrier that performs category A or C operations acquires an aircraft that would cause the Company to no longer be in compliance with the provisions of Section 1 D. 2. c., the Company will terminate such operations on the date that is the later of the date such aircraft is placed in revenue service, or nine months from the date that the Company first became aware of the potential acquisition.

i guess the statement "the later of" allows for the order. Operations would have to cease with SkyWest the day the aircraft enters service so they are currently legal.

qball 07-28-2017 07:02 AM

The rumor churning around on the regional side is Amazon Prime and the MRJ. I'm just the piano player.


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