What do U think of your BIG ALPA dues refund?
 

I never expected much from ALPA, but this "refund" is pathetic. What a joke...obviously its merely a gesture just to say "see, look what we did for you!" $25,000 in dues paid over the last 4 years, and my total refund is a few hundred bucks.

Our dues rate should be lowered....ALPA survived just fine on dues paid during bankruptcy when we were all earning far less. They take in far more now under our current rates. I know they need money to help the pilots of our competitors (LOL), but shouldn't our dues rate be reduced now?

How low should it be? The MCF saved our bacon during the lost decade, so should we replenish it before we cut dues?

Not bad, you averaged over 325,000 a year! You must have broke 400,000 last year!

I'd say that was a good ROI on his dues.

Only an airline pilot could beotch about making 300-400 grand and getting back "only" a couple hundred dollars. :rolleyes:



What do you think your salary would be if there was no ALPA?

A lot less than -1.9%.

The OP has a very valid point - ALPA dues can and should be lowered. I would say 1% should be the goal.

With recent industry pay increases ALPA dues receipts must be soaring so why not lower the rates?

Scoop :confused:

Not cool complaining about a refund.

However, I agree the dues should be lowered.

Talking about how they help our competitors it's called pattern bargaining. Just don't tell someone at the regionals for the last 10 years, ALPA is and always was an advocate for mainline contracts only. Regionals were an afterthought and ALPA regional carriers were whipsawed for years. Only now is it starting to get better, no thanks to ALPA.

I love it, "Lower." Can any of the "lower" crowd tell us what an appropriate level for the OCF and MCF should be?

Quick observation....Why are the guys using the system to their advantage and making significantly more than the average line pilot usually the biggest complainers?

All you ALPA budget experts need to do is attend a Local Council meeting, introduce a resolution, and muster the votes to get it passed.

The ALPA Constitution & By-Laws does not recognize APC posts as Action Items.

I know, amazing, right?!?!? :D







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Was I supposed to get a check or something?

ALPA won't even consider a dues reduction until the BOD meeting sometime in 2018. fwiw. Hopefully FedEx (or was it UAL) will jump us by then and not object to the reduction.

Indeed, it requires BOD approval. Do you suppose that happens out of the blue?


Your Status Reps are BOD members. Want a voice? Start at the Local Council.

*****ing on APC won't steer the BOD.






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Only curious, does the 'lower my dues!' crowd also scream just as loudly at their federal, state, and city governments to lower their taxes?

Last I checked my taxes keep going up and I don't see any net better results.

Don't feed the troll. He's jealous Delta (or any ALPA carrier) would not hire him.

My unscientific survey shows people that ***** the loudest about taxes dont have a very deep understanding about the rates they pay. Until the rate is zero there will be complaining.

Absolutely replenish it. And while we're doing that, trim the fat in Herndon.

Then head east and do likewise on the other side of the Potomac.

MAGA!

The refund is welcomed, but pocket change I'll barely notice... dues should be lowered significantly.

Dues lowering made it to national not long ago... your airline was a factor in poo-pooing the lowering of dues.

That is not okay at all.

DAL MEC Expenses (millions)
2009 - $8.5
2010 - $8.7 (+2%)
2011 - $9.5 (+9%)
2012 - $11.3 (+19%)
2013 - $11.1 (-2%)
2014 - $12.8 (+15%)
2015 - $16.8 (+31%)
2016 - $18.1 (+8%)

We're making more and there are a lot more of us. Give them more and they will find a way to spend it. I understand that more people also means more expenses, but I highly doubt they need twice as much today as 5 years ago.

I'm grateful for ALPA and all their services, I just think reasonable oversight needs to be done just like every industry.

Bologna.

FedEx was NOT against lowering of dues.

FedEx WAS against having dues assessed on more components of compensation than other airlines.






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DAL and NWA announced the merger on 4/15/08 and got a single operating certificate in 2010. You might want to include the NWA MEC expenditures for an apples to apples, YOY comparison.

There was also PWA2012, PWA2016 and the failed TA in between. Obviously, expenses should return to normal after contract negotiations, but the ROI was pretty good IMO.

Finally, isn't a common complaint about ALPA from pilots at the majors that their dues exceed the money at their MEC's disposal?

I was very pleased with the refund. Retired in Sep 2012 and got a check for $171. Bought my beer for a week.��

Are they seriously mailing checks out?

Yes. I got mine a few days ago. Realize that the refund covers years 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014.

Denny

While I'm pleased to get ANYTHING back from the sucking hole that is ALPA dues, it is time to lower the dues rate. Better than a sharp stick in the eye.;)

That's not true, I was there. FDX and UAL joined to amend the dues reduction resolution at the BOD in 2014, stripping away the dues reduction from the resolution and substituting some let's continue to study this language. Political pandering to the B carriers.

Thank you. I hope it's not designed to look like spam. That has hosed me in the past!

One of the biggest expenses of any union is flight pay loss.

TOS for 777A on 1/1/2009 was $198.00 and today it's $330.00. A 67% increase. So that alone would justify a substantial increase in expenses. Also consider that in 2015/2016 you had substantial expenses due to TA1 & TA2.

Whaaaaaat???........

That's a lot of PBR, cheap pilots!

Nope. It was FDX and UAL that killed the dues reduction.

Yes. 1% is more than enough.

Long past time for a top to bottom review.

Same fat cats been at the trough for far too long.

Why should they fly the line, they have pensions?

[QUOTE=TonyC;2403990]All you ALPA budget experts need to do is attend a Local Council meeting, introduce a resolution, and muster the votes to get it passed.

The ALPA Constitution & By-Laws does not recognize APC posts as Action Items.

I know, amazing, right?!?!? :D

Actually the Delta MEC is and has been leading the charge to lower dues.

United and others have blocked us.

1% is more than enough.