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Old 08-26-2017, 10:49 AM
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Years ago they used to interview 6 a day and hired 1 or 2. Some days none. Now we hire 70%. I still can't get highly qualified guys interviews. I am talking mil guys with 4000 hours of 121 PIC and check airman positions. They are not hurting in the least! Maybe in a few more years but I doubt even that will come to pass. They are seeing more need to repeat training events so perhaps they are looking harder. I hardly call a take rate dropping from 78 to 70 a crisis.
You can't say we aren't hurting at all. They just delayed all 88 outflow until 18. We are hurting, at least a little. The time is ripe. I hope DALPA is preparing.
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Old 08-26-2017, 11:05 AM
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Years ago they used to interview 6 a day and hired 1 or 2. Some days none. Now we hire 70%. I still can't get highly qualified guys interviews. I am talking mil guys with 4000 hours of 121 PIC and check airman positions. They are not hurting in the least! Maybe in a few more years but I doubt even that will come to pass. They are seeing more need to repeat training events so perhaps they are looking harder. I hardly call a take rate dropping from 78 to 70 a crisis.
I agree, it's a trend not a crisis. Good management teams recognize trends and take action that prevents a crisis. I share your frustration with getting internal recs hired. I have several former co-workers flying at UAL and FDX. To address the topic at hand, they both benefit from a better DH policy. Although not a significant factor by itself, it is a minor improvement in the contract that is very little cost to the company.

Sometimes a small gesture of goodwill outside of negotiations is a wise move. Although difficult for the MBA crowd to quantify, the qualitative improvement can be beneficial to the company. In times of record profits a small gesture of goodwill, like improved DH language would be a welcome improvement. If we have to "give something up", I'd rather have an exit row aisle seat on a DH than a new recliner in the A concourse ATL pilot lounge. Besides, from a safety standpoint, the 150 passengers on the airplane are safer if I am in the exit row and the economy fare passenger is in a middle seat in row 29.
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Old 08-26-2017, 12:04 PM
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You can't say we aren't hurting at all. They just delayed all 88 outflow until 18. We are hurting, at least a little. The time is ripe. I hope DALPA is preparing.
We are hurting because we can't find qualified applicants? Don't think so at this point or in the near future.
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Old 08-26-2017, 01:44 PM
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We are hurting because we can't find qualified applicants? Don't think so at this point or in the near future.
We are hurting because we don't have enough pilots or the ability to train new ones fast enough. We are hurting, you can't spin it any other way.
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Old 08-26-2017, 01:48 PM
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We are hurting because we don't have enough pilots or the ability to train new ones fast enough. We are hurting, you can't spin it any other way.
I heard we are reducing classes for the rest of the year. Perhaps a new hire can comment if true. Manning appeared better this summer verses the last 3 years.
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Old 08-26-2017, 01:57 PM
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I heard we are reducing classes for the rest of the year. Perhaps a new hire can comment if true. Manning appeared better this summer verses the last 3 years.
There are a couple of months with only 3 planned classes instead of 4, but those other classes will see the size upped to the 30's and 40's.
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Old 08-26-2017, 02:32 PM
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Years ago they used to interview 6 a day and hired 1 or 2. Some days none. Now we hire 70%. I still can't get highly qualified guys interviews. I am talking mil guys with 4000 hours of 121 PIC and check airman positions. They are not hurting in the least! Maybe in a few more years but I doubt even that will come to pass. They are seeing more need to repeat training events so perhaps they are looking harder. I hardly call a take rate dropping from 78 to 70 a crisis.
The ones that get the call have three things, good education, solid flight experience, and volunteer work. If they are not getting the call, one of the three is missing.
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Old 08-26-2017, 03:18 PM
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I heard we are reducing classes for the rest of the year. Perhaps a new hire can comment if true. Manning appeared better this summer verses the last 3 years.
I was told to expect 30 in my Sept Indoc class.
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Old 08-26-2017, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Years ago they used to interview 6 a day and hired 1 or 2. Some days none. Now we hire 70%. I still can't get highly qualified guys interviews. I am talking mil guys with 4000 hours of 121 PIC and check airman positions. They are not hurting in the least! Maybe in a few more years but I doubt even that will come to pass. They are seeing more need to repeat training events so perhaps they are looking harder. I hardly call a take rate dropping from 78 to 70 a crisis.

It is not a crisis and is still a very high and respectable number but nonetheless it is statistically significant especially when you analyze the trend line.

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Old 08-26-2017, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Years ago they used to interview 6 a day and hired 1 or 2. Some days none. Now we hire 70%. I still can't get highly qualified guys interviews. I am talking mil guys with 4000 hours of 121 PIC and check airman positions. They are not hurting in the least! Maybe in a few more years but I doubt even that will come to pass. They are seeing more need to repeat training events so perhaps they are looking harder. I hardly call a take rate dropping from 78 to 70 a crisis.
Some days "years ago" they also hired everyone. Mine was 9/10.

It is a consistent trend line, as has been pointed out. What level of causation there is deeper than we have data provided to us for.
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