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Correct me if I'm wrong, but S2Bs for holiday travel for one family member fall below S2s, is that correct? So, when everyone starts checking them and their 7 kids in as S2s, the S2B is essentially useless just like S2s tend to be. I hope I'm wrong, sure would be nice to bring the ole lady with me over the New Year.

I think you’re right. The main benefit I see is that the S2Bs don’t count against your S2 allotment for the year. This really helps those that have run out by this time of year.

Correct, you're free to use a S2 if needed however.

It would be nice if you're junior and have to spend 30 hours over Christmas or Thanksgiving away from home, your significant other could be given priority over all other non revs so you don't have to spend it alone. That seems fair.

It sounds like the S2 would help you achieve that more than the "holiday family S2B pass".

False.

Available seats is a zero sum game, and there is no way someone should get an additional special pass to let a non employee bump an active pilot trying to get home or to work, over and above their current allotment that already allows them to do so at least 6 times a year.

Disagree. This is good morale for pilots stuck working on the holidays.

I've not found an S2 to help me yet. I get the theory, but there are so many of them their value is quite low. I've never seen a senior person not have an S2 to trump someone junior who checked in with an S2. Either way, in the spirit of thanksgiving, I'm thankful to have the travel benefits.

Do you say this from experience? Curious only because anything less than positive space would seem to be stressful to me... and I'd rather have those distributed outside of holiday criteria anyway.

I think most airline pilots have known since their teens years that they might miss some important dates at home.

Holiday premium pay could solve much of the angst.

Care to expand on why you think that's fair? Odd to me that my loss or degradation of a holiday travel benefit might happen to enable others to bring their spouse to work.

Are airline pilots and their dependents not pretty adept at spending time apart? There's always the instructor or CPO gigs for those who can't stand the time away.

And for that 30 hour layover, you can always buy a ticket like the rest of the world.

Double pay on holidays solves so many issues. I still don't know why we work for the same rate on major holidays.

Those who don't care about the holidays will bid them so those who do care don't have to work. If you do get "stuck" working a trip you could buy your significant other a ticket to come with you and still be ahead money wise.

The S2B option is a nice gesture that basically helps nobody. As the guy above said even the S2's are not that much help. I came back from Rome a couple months ago and there were 20 non rev's listed.......EVERY SINGLE ONE listed as an S2. :cool:

And bad "morale" for pilots trying to get to work or to home on the holidays. Your spouse gets 6 S2's a year like everyone else. There is no reason to get more than that at full S2 priority. S2B is incredibly generous as it is.

It's a good gesture, but not really that generous. I wonder how many actually get used?

Holiday pay would be in the incredibly generous category. How about no S2B passes and holiday meals at hubs for the office cadre and the few pilots who are passing through with more than a 50 minute turn in exchange for premium pay on holidays?

how about no S2Bs, add holiday pay, add 1 RT PS for all pass riders once a year for vacation.

Tunes just solved all the worlds problems in less than 25 words. Well done. I’m on board with that.

[QUOTE=RockyBoy;2470689]Double pay on holidays solves so many issues. I still don't know why we work for the same rate on major holidays.

^^^Exactly! Didn't the FA's just get their PS back because "we're all DAL employees and we should all be treated the same?" Holiday pay should be an easy win for us in the next contract based on the company line when they reinstated the PS for the FA's. If we're going to work for the same rate on major holidays, the company shouldn't have the ability to "may deny regardless of reserve levels" IVD's and APD's 2 days prior and 1 day after major holidays. We're giving up 4 days of schedule flexibility for every ONE day that the company declares a holiday. Let's level the playing field on the next contract.

[QUOTE=Tee1Up;2470876]The other employees are going to love it when they start getting 16% in their retirement plan! Unless of course the company demands we go down to their percentage to level the field!

[QUOTE=sailingfun;2470883]What do they get?

[QUOTE=Sputnik;2470887]They get a 3% DC plan and up to a 6% match on their 401K for a total of 9%. It was bumped recently from 7% total.
My point is it would be incredibly stupid to negotiate by comparing us to the other employees.

[QUOTE=sailingfun;2470902]I think the "me too" idea comes into play when cherry picking some good deals non cons enjoy. Not too many to pick.

Don't mid level managers get PS for themselves and family during their vacations? Must be nice.

No they dont.

Don't know the definition of "mid level manager" but the [non-pilot management] guy across the street does.

VP level and above is what the company put out.

...And they kept their retirement package intact throughout BK. THAT must be nice.:rolleyes: PS is just icing on that cake.

The only employee group that had a pension terminated in bk wz the pilots.

Someone shud do the math....but rough guess is evry south pilot is likely handing back whatever ps is paid in lost earnings from revenue not available due to funding obligations of the other employee still in effect pension plans.

Standby for, the note, claim and prudent investments made you whole.

Wanna trade a couple of hundred bucks a month for DOH?

Sure. Along with a 20yr fence. :)

I guess they forgot, I'll just wait right here. They should be along any minute.:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=sailingfun;2470883]Thanks, boyscout. Are you an LCA on the 330?