Slip award priority
 

Curious what the priority for slip awards is? In reference to GS/GSWC, white slips, yellow slips, in base about of base...yadda yadda..who gets awarded first based on slip requests?

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Go to section 23N and O in your contract. They have the entire trip coverage ladders. There are two depending on if the trip reports more than 12 hours away or less.

Its pretty complicated - here is the readers digest version for more than 12 hours. The ones people seem to care most about are bolded.

1. Recovery slips
2. White slips
3. Long call reserves
4. Short Call reserves
5. Reserve Pilots on an X day
6. OOBWS
7-17. Arcane combinations of long and short call pilots in and out of base
18. Greenslips
19. IP Greenslips
20. OOBGS
21. Rerouting pilots flying
22-29 Interrupted X days, assignments, and conflicts
30. Anyone that they can get.

Scoop

For less than 12 hours:

1. Recovery Slips
2. White slips
3. Long Call with yellow slips
4. OOBWS
5. Short Call Pilots
6-11. Arcane combinations of in and out of base reserves
12. Greenslips
13. IP Greenslips
14 OOBGS
15. Rerouting flying Pilots
16-24. More arcane combinations of regular, and reserve assignments and conflicts.

Scoop

And yeah so where are are the 88A green slip goblins? On my 3rd reroute this trip.

Unless you get sick, then you forfeit your seniority and go to the bottom of the list.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/29/health...ips/index.html

This was a gem in the TA. I get the GS rationale but WS too? :confused:

Gonna be a short month after I dropped a trip not knowing I'd get sick. :mad::rolleyes:

Do you go to the bottom of the list or is that only if you would not have been legal for the GS if you flew the trip you sicked out of?

This aspect of the TA has both good and bad points. From your perspective you are being penalized and yet I have other guys say it prevents scammers from going to the top of the list.

Scoop

If the company can keep the operation moving with reroutes, there might not even be a point at which scheduling needed to fill a trip via WS/GS in the first place.

You only go to the bottom of the list if the trip you want would not be legal to fly had you flown the trip you were sick on. You can thank your fellow pilots who were tactically sicking out to pick up Green slips. For pilots who use sick leave properly it can be a benefit because it will award that flying to the pilot who should have received it in the first place.

That’s not contractually legal. The company did attempt that to a certain extant however it was grieved and settled in our favor.

Wrong.

I was just told 30 days at the bottom following my sick call.

I dropped a trip back on DEC 20 (first PCS run) and intended to pick up something else because I need a specific day off. A WS went out junior to me so I called to ask why. You guessed it......sick call sends you to the bottom of the list for 30 days.


edit: Just read 23.P.3. That seemed to clear things up....NOT. :confused::rolleyes: I don't think the scheduler or I have any idea how this is supposed to be applied. Time to call my rep. Again. Glad we vetted this fully before the vote. ;)

If the contract is written to allow this, it sure looks like a punitive measure for calling out sick. That sounds illegal to me, not in context of our often loophole littered contract, but in a broader context of a general legal framework. I'm not a lawyer and am curious what the lawyers out there think.

I don't buy this. Without a contractual reference that supports this punitive measure it sounds like you are owed some pay.

If you could have legally flown the trip had you not sicked out you need to call and get paid for it. If you needed the sick call in order to be legal for the trip the scheduler is correct.

I don't think they know. This "30 day" thing is nowhere in the PWA.

There is no 30 day thing.

Exactly. That's why I suspect they are either making it up as they go, don't have a clue or are just FOS. I'll send it to the scheduling committee. That will take awhile with all the recent RRs.(I'm guessing)

Your statement is very generic, as was my first. There are times when a reroute is what is needed. Many other times crew tracking calls scheduling with a "will need" (not sure of the exact verbiage).

I guess my greater point is that just because a guy is being rerouted, that may have nothing to do with whether or not guys have WS or GS requests in.

Further explanation is a lot longer discussion.

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In the grievance it was agreed that all flying known more than 14 hours in advance must go through the trip coverage ladder. If it’s less than 14 it can be covered via reroute.

True. And a good point that all pilots should know.

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The coverage is done by computer. The scheduler is not really involved in legalities. That is why this item had a delayed implementation. There was a lot of programming involved.
I suspect in your case had you flown the trip you were sick on you would have had a 100 in 28 violation. It could however have been in other FAR violation. The scheduler did not really know how to explain it. The trip pickup being denied would however be correct. You can look at your block hours on your time card and add back in the sick trip and get a pretty good idea if they are right or wrong. Keep in mind however that 28 in 100 is a look forward as well as look back rule for trip awards unless you agree to a unpaid drop for a trip in the following month.

??? 30 days or 30 minutes?

23.P.3 actually seems pretty clear. Here is the big picture: If you flew your rotation rather than calling in sick, would the FARs permit you to white slip that trip you put in for considering the PWA's 30 minute buffer? If the answer is yes, you got screwed and you need to call DALPA scheduling ASAP. If the answer is no, all is as it should be.

However, don't forget that you get the added "bonus" that the PWA allows you to white slip a trip you would not have been legal for had you flown your original rotation (the one you sicked out from) if that rotation has not been awarded after processing all submitted white slips.

This is basically the same for a white or greenslip.

Remember, if no one else is available you would get the Greenslip even if you would have been illegal had you not called in sick.

So if you put in a WS request you will definitely not get the GS.

Bottom line - You go to the back of the list if your sick time make you legal for something you would not have been legal for.

Scoop

Yup....agreed. Thought his post was about a denied WS though. And he might get the WS but not the GS based on qualifiers/conditions of those senior to him.