Doctorate Level Scheduling Question
01-23-2018, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Hossharris
You can IVD up to twice. In aggregate you can use 4 days of future, unused vacation.
01-23-2018, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I understand this is the normal case but..........there are three months out of the year (Jan, Feb, Mar) where you can APD a trip AND use PB days to cover it for pay. To do this Scheduling has to manually go in and take APD off your schedule and insert TOFF. What I'm wondering is if this change now allows one to white slip a trip over the day that USED to say APD. Hence the name of this thread......
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There are 2 issues you're dealing with which are both contractually illegal.
1: CS should not put a PB day on top of an APD.
2: You cannot fly on top of an APD.
That said, if you can convince a scheduler to put TOFF on top of an APD (which you may be able to do, this is a manual process JAN-MAR and there's lots of new people in CS) then there is no way icrew or a subsequent scheduler will know that your APD was used on that day. You will probably be able to fly on top of TOFF. This is an IT shortfall, not an intended consequence of the contract.
01-23-2018, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
There are 2 issues you're dealing with which are both contractually illegal.
1: CS should not put a PB day on top of an APD.
2: You cannot fly on top of an APD.
1: CS should not put a PB day on top of an APD.
2: You cannot fly on top of an APD.
01-23-2018, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
+1 or +2 each (number of times & aggregate days) for winners of the sick leave contest....
Also is the IVD usage on the same annual schedule as the yearly vacation calendar?
01-23-2018, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
Agreed on #2. Can you provide a citation for #1? I ask because it’s always been my understanding of exactly what the OP posits, ie, that a prior-year PB can be placed on a PD or an APD in Jan - Mar....
Referencing the PWA; page 23-22, line 20 specifies "A pilot will not be awarded a white slip, GS, GSWC, IA, IAWC, yellow slip, or swap for a rotation that is sheduled to operate on a day on which IVD or APD appears on his schedule."
Line 39 goes on to say "pilot may, at his request, recover pay and credit for rotations and reserve on-call days dropped pursuant to a PD, QPD, IVD, or APD, by utilizing:"
I was mistaken in bullet 1. You can be paid for the APD. The key verbiage in the contract appears to be "where an APD appears on the pilot's schedule". Once that verbiage is off your schedule then it appears you're cleared weird.
My apologies for the incorrect previous post, and good original question. Made me dig around the contract and learned a couple new things.
01-23-2018, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
You are crossing streams.
There are 2 issues you're dealing with which are both contractually illegal.
1: CS should not put a PB day on top of an APD.
2: You cannot fly on top of an APD.
That said, if you can convince a scheduler to put TOFF on top of an APD (which you may be able to do, this is a manual process JAN-MAR and there's lots of new people in CS) then there is no way icrew or a subsequent scheduler will know that your APD was used on that day. You will probably be able to fly on top of TOFF. This is an IT shortfall, not an intended consequence of the contract.
There are 2 issues you're dealing with which are both contractually illegal.
1: CS should not put a PB day on top of an APD.
2: You cannot fly on top of an APD.
That said, if you can convince a scheduler to put TOFF on top of an APD (which you may be able to do, this is a manual process JAN-MAR and there's lots of new people in CS) then there is no way icrew or a subsequent scheduler will know that your APD was used on that day. You will probably be able to fly on top of TOFF. This is an IT shortfall, not an intended consequence of the contract.
Nope, you can't fly ON the APD date but you CAN fly in the footprint of the trip that it dropped. EX: APD used to drop a four day starting on Jan 1. The APD goes on the 1st and drops the entire four day. You WS/GS a four day reporting on the 2nd...fair and legal. You can't slip on the 1st as the APD will inhibit it.
The PB day is drawn from the bank and has to go on top, rather in PLACE of the APD, there is no other mechanism for that to happen.
01-23-2018, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by WickedSmaht
TOFF is what goes on top of the APD/PD until resources pulls the banked PD day out of your bank, the APD usage is in the schedule history and it's not a favor, it's procedure. If you get a Scheduler that doesn't know how to do it, ask for another one.
Nope, you can't fly ON the APD date but you CAN fly in the footprint of the trip that it dropped. EX: APD used to drop a four day starting on Jan 1. The APD goes on the 1st and drops the entire four day. You WS/GS a four day reporting on the 2nd...fair and legal. You can't slip on the 1st as the APD will inhibit it.
The PB day is drawn from the bank and has to go on top, rather in PLACE of the APD, there is no other mechanism for that to happen.
Nope, you can't fly ON the APD date but you CAN fly in the footprint of the trip that it dropped. EX: APD used to drop a four day starting on Jan 1. The APD goes on the 1st and drops the entire four day. You WS/GS a four day reporting on the 2nd...fair and legal. You can't slip on the 1st as the APD will inhibit it.
The PB day is drawn from the bank and has to go on top, rather in PLACE of the APD, there is no other mechanism for that to happen.
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01-23-2018, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by easternguy
Where does it say you get additional IVD opportunities with the sick leave contest?
Also is the IVD usage on the same annual schedule as the yearly vacation calendar?
Also is the IVD usage on the same annual schedule as the yearly vacation calendar?
1) 14.K.4.a. & b.
2) I don't understand this question?
01-23-2018, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Thanks! This is what I was looking for........all I can ask is........are you positive about your last sentence? During the PCS process will the computer actually see the APD under the TOFF day and not award a trip?
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01-23-2018, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by easternguy
Also is the IVD usage on the same annual schedule as the yearly vacation calendar?
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