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Old 04-10-2018, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer View Post
How about this hypothetical rotation? Affects JFK, LAX and SEA pilots who are currently flying at least one of these legs.

MCO 7ER
Position-AB 7ER Effective June 4 Check in at 09.00

4 1659 MCO 1000 -LAX 1228 5.28
5 2531 LAX 0800 - BOS 1645 5.45
6 258 BOS 1901 - AMS 0810 7.09
8 127 AMS 14:40 - MCO 19:01 10.21

Total 28.43

Virtual bases are going to affect everyone.
Not a legal trip, since a VB trip cannot begin or END with an ocean crossing...
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Old 04-10-2018, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru View Post
Not a legal trip, since a VB trip cannot begin or END with an ocean crossing...

Virtual Basing
A. The Company may establish one or more virtual bases for pilots, as follows:
2016.10.04 TA MOU #16-03 – Virtual Basing & Temporary Duty
1. 2.
A virtual base will not be located:
a. outside the contiguous 48 states of the United States.
b. at an existing pilot base.
A virtual base rotation will not:
a. begin with an ocean crossing flight segment.
b. contain an ocean crossing flight segment to or from an existing pilot base.

It does not end in an ocean crossing into a pilot base.
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Old 04-10-2018, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
As bad as everyone says a VB will effect trip mix imagine the horror if they open a regular base with no restrictions. We need contract language to ban new bases!
Well played!

There's a chance VB can benefit some pilots who leave near the VB. There's a chance opening a new base (or closing a current category) could benefit some pilots by putting flying near them. There's a chance the closing could hurt some pilots. In related news, Change Occurs In The Airline Industry.

I'm Pro-Choice on the issue. If we don't like the way the kid turns out, be can abort it after-the-fact.
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
As bad as everyone says a VB will effect trip mix imagine the horror if they open a regular base with no restrictions. We need contract language to ban new bases!
Then why don't they just do it? I don't think you'll see anybody here complain if Delta opens a new base.

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Well played!

There's a chance VB can benefit some pilots who leave near the VB. There's a chance opening a new base (or closing a current category) could benefit some pilots by putting flying near them. There's a chance the closing could hurt some pilots. In related news, Change Occurs In The Airline Industry.

I'm Pro-Choice on the issue. If we don't like the way the kid turns out, be can abort it after-the-fact.
I didn't know the kool-aid man had a side kick. Must've gotten buried by one of those walls he was always knocking over.
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru View Post
Not a legal trip, since a VB trip cannot begin or END with an ocean crossing...
i'm 99.9% sure it can end with one, just cant start with one.
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Old 04-10-2018, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes View Post
i'm 99.9% sure it can end with one, just cant start with one.
Yeah I see that now
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Old 04-15-2018, 06:28 AM
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MEC Alert 18-12.

Special meeting extension to discuss virtual basing. Thoughts? I know I have written my reps to support the termination of VB. I like the TDY portion, but if VB goes so does TDY.

Anyone else have any insight/thoughts on this meeting?
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Old 04-15-2018, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer View Post
How about this hypothetical rotation? Affects JFK, LAX and SEA pilots who are currently flying at least one of these legs.

MCO 7ER
Position-AB 7ER Effective June 4 Check in at 09.00

4 1659 MCO 1000 -LAX 1228 5.28
5 2531 LAX 0800 - BOS 1645 5.45
6 258 BOS 1901 - AMS 0810 7.09
8 127 AMS 14:40 - MCO 19:01 10.21

Total 28.43

Virtual bases are going to affect everyone.
This example, I don't remember in the Con paper.
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Old 04-15-2018, 08:37 AM
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Now that it's up and running, I personally think the risk of trying it out for a few months is pretty low. The category doesn't affect me directly, so easy for me to say... but debating some real-world observed pros and cons would seem to be better than just hypotheticals. Naturally, the way the company tries it out initially is no guarantee they'll continue with that same methodology, so that's a threat in determining effects.
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Old 04-15-2018, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74 View Post
Now that it's up and running, I personally think the risk of trying it out for a few months is pretty low. The category doesn't affect me directly, so easy for me to say... but debating some real-world observed pros and cons would seem to be better than just hypotheticals. Naturally, the way the company tries it out initially is no guarantee they'll continue with that same methodology, so that's a threat in determining effects.
Disagree. The threat is virtual basing. It costs jobs and potentially QOL. They can have their one month trial period. Then it needs to go. Hopefully that is the message the MEC is sending after their meeting.

There is no doubt that the virtual bases will be great from the company perspective during the test period. They want them in the PWA. Later they can start peeling back layers until it works for them.

I don’t understand the blind faith some have in this when we (or our union) control very little. They want a base in MCO? Open one. BOS? Open one.
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