Virtual Base in MCO
04-05-2018, 05:09 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Know your contract:
“Ocean crossing” means a flight segment: a. across the Atlantic Ocean, or b. across the Pacific Ocean, as follows: 1) between the North American continent and the Hawaiian Islands, 2) between the Hawaiian Islands and any point west of the 160 degree meridian, 3) between the North American continent and a point west of the 160 degree meridian, 4) between a Pacific Rim airport and Australia and/or New Zealand, or, c. to or from an airport in South America, as follows: 1) between the United States and any point further south of the equator than 3 degrees, 30 minutes south latitude on the South American continent, and 2) any flight segment scheduled for greater than eight hours to, within or from the South American continent,
“Ocean crossing” means a flight segment: a. across the Atlantic Ocean, or b. across the Pacific Ocean, as follows: 1) between the North American continent and the Hawaiian Islands, 2) between the Hawaiian Islands and any point west of the 160 degree meridian, 3) between the North American continent and a point west of the 160 degree meridian, 4) between a Pacific Rim airport and Australia and/or New Zealand, or, c. to or from an airport in South America, as follows: 1) between the United States and any point further south of the equator than 3 degrees, 30 minutes south latitude on the South American continent, and 2) any flight segment scheduled for greater than eight hours to, within or from the South American continent,
However, there are many ways to skin a cat so perhaps there is something I'm not seeing.
The VB has a 1 year trial period, which either side can terminate. Put pressure on the reps and we can stop the VB. Email your reps if you don't like it - just takes a few minutes and doesn't have to say much.
04-05-2018, 05:15 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by LCAhotline
Look, sailing I don’t know why you side with the company on just about every issue. They threw VB in the last TA moments before ratification with this one year either party can terminate language.
No reason, at all, for this group to allow virtual basing. Email reps. Do whatever, but this has to go.
No reason, at all, for this group to allow virtual basing. Email reps. Do whatever, but this has to go.
Virtually every single bogeyman this forum has thrown out since contract 2012 has never materialized. What has happened is we have seen the mainline grow from 600 to 800 airframes and hired over 4000 pilots. In addition our pay has soared. Life sucks at Delta!
04-05-2018, 05:15 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by LCAhotline
Look, sailing I don’t know why you side with the company on just about every issue. They threw VB in the last TA moments before ratification with this one year either party can terminate language.
No reason, at all, for this group to allow virtual basing. Email reps. Do whatever, but this has to go.
No reason, at all, for this group to allow virtual basing. Email reps. Do whatever, but this has to go.
And while Sailing does seem to support the company line, more often than not he just quotes fact and the actual contractual language, versus "crisis du jour" laments that will be utterly forgotten in less than a month.
Look I don't commute and I am sort of skeptical about VBs. But let's see how they play out, if at all, before declaring them bad.
04-05-2018, 05:28 AM
#25
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Originally Posted by LCAhotline
Look, sailing I don’t know why you side with the company on just about every issue. They threw VB in the last TA moments before ratification with this one year either party can terminate language.
No reason, at all, for this group to allow virtual basing. Email reps. Do whatever, but this has to go.
No reason, at all, for this group to allow virtual basing. Email reps. Do whatever, but this has to go.
I am not supporting VB, just trying to provide some facts.
04-05-2018, 08:54 AM
#27
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Originally Posted by 3 green
They are still training Captains as we speak on the 88 so they must be planning to retire them quicker than anticipated. The next AE will be loaded with 88 guys leaving, especially FO's.
04-05-2018, 12:06 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Management is willfully and repeatedly violating our contract.
Killing VB will send a clear message that we will not tolerate this behavior.
If they want a base, let them open one.
Managment was very clear on VB, they want more concessions.
Nyet.
Killing VB will send a clear message that we will not tolerate this behavior.
If they want a base, let them open one.
Managment was very clear on VB, they want more concessions.
Nyet.
04-05-2018, 12:47 PM
#29
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I don't understand how a couple of months ago Crew resources put out an example of how bad VBs are with the most economical being the 320 in BOS and it still raised credit time much more than they wanted. Now all of a sudden the MCO base is economical for the ER? That doesn't add up. I guess the example they used for BOS didn't take into account summer flying and now it is economical.
04-05-2018, 01:34 PM
#30
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
I don't understand how a couple of months ago Crew resources put out an example of how bad VBs are with the most economical being the 320 in BOS and it still raised credit time much more than they wanted. Now all of a sudden the MCO base is economical for the ER? That doesn't add up. I guess the example they used for BOS didn't take into account summer flying and now it is economical.
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