Originally Posted by jamesbond

ok... I am still working on coffee #1, but here's the thing. You talk about tying up $21,200 buying 100 shares. Unless you are trading options there is nothing that requires you to buy/sell 100 shares. Buy 10 at a time and dollar cost average. Or just buy $6100 worth. Your profit will actually be close to the same anyway when it all washes out and you don't have a time bomb ticking. (expiration) and, if they are underwater in jan 2023, you can still hold on to them until they come back.i guess the good news is if we get a president that wants to go to economic war with china, and baba tanks, you are only out $6100. Regardless of how you try to sell this, you are putting yourself behind at the start by that same $6100. The option has to increase by that amount for you to break even. That's a long way for the dy/dx. It very well might, but then again it might not.

I'm not trying to sell anyone on anything either. But what i will say is that it sounds like to me is that you are in love with this company and that is a dangerous thing. I would urge you to take a breath. Seriously.

I used to like to watch options action on cnbc every friday (not religiously, but occasionally). I was trying to understand all those complex spreads and condors and flying wallenda strategies that they were doing and after awhile i decided it was a lot of yoga for a little bit of money. And most of it was money paid out that was dependent on movement one way or the other. Jim cramer won't talk about options other than in one of his books he says doing what you do is 'ok'. (i disagree, obviously) this stuff is not rocket surgery. Making it more complicated than it is is unnecessary.

I hope it works out for you and that you have found a hundred bagger. If you did, that $6100 worth of stock will have been worth more than the option, but hey ya gotta dance with who brung ya.

Enjoyable discussion rather than the monkey **** throwing contests usually found here.

Originally Posted by mispoken

BTW I was looking at the wrong strikes; selling a Jan 2023 $170 put gets me $17 in premium and reduces buying power by $1700. So if assigned shares my break even is $153. If I buy the $170 call for $60 my BE is now $230.

Originally Posted by JamesBond

OK... I am still working on coffee #1, but here's the thing. You talk about tying up $21,200 buying 100 shares. Unless you are trading options there is nothing that requires you to buy/sell 100 shares. Buy 10 at a time and dollar cost average. Or just buy $6100 worth. Your profit will actually be close to the same anyway when it all washes out and you don't have a time bomb ticking. (expiration) And, if they are underwater in Jan 2023, you can still hold on to them until they come back.I guess the good news is if we get a president that wants to go to economic war with China, and BABA tanks, you are only out $6100. Regardless of how you try to sell this, you are putting yourself behind at the start by that same $6100. The option has to increase by that amount for you to break even. That's a long way for the dy/dx. It very well might, but then again it might not.



I'm not trying to sell anyone on anything either. But what I will say is that it sounds like to me is that you are in love with this company and that is a dangerous thing. I would urge you to take a breath. Seriously.



I used to like to watch Options Action on CNBC every Friday (not religiously, but occasionally). I was trying to understand all those complex spreads and condors and flying Wallenda strategies that they were doing and after awhile I decided it was a lot of yoga for a little bit of money. And most of it was money paid out that was dependent on movement one way or the other. Jim Cramer won't talk about options other than in one of his books he says doing what you do is 'OK'. (I disagree, obviously) This stuff is not rocket surgery. Making it more complicated than it is is unnecessary.



I hope it works out for you and that you have found a hundred bagger. If you did, that $6100 worth of stock will have been worth more than the option, but hey ya gotta dance with who brung ya.



Enjoyable discussion rather than the monkey **** throwing contests usually found here.

Originally Posted by mispoken

So, you call Tesla a story stock and yet you cite a Reddit thread as a case for buying calls because someone from that thread made tens of millions doing it. I think I’ve just about got you figured out. Best of luck on your $20million call buying conquest. It’ll make a great story, one way or another.

Originally Posted by mispoken

If the discussion is about valuation that’s one thing. The example you gave was making $20 million buying calls in GME to support your buying of calls. You use a tweet to support a short thesis. You use a WSJ article to support a short thesis.

Originally Posted by Gunfighter

That was the genesis of the QDRO, but it can be used in other ways. I'm contemplating pulling money out for real estate investments in 2022 or 2023. Because of the original use in divorce proceedings, I think it takes a husband & wife combo to do it. Still researching...

Originally Posted by Trip7

Yet I talk about a stock(BABA) that is Undervalued by about 30%. I didn't proclaim BABA was going to $2000. Put your pitch fork down.


I have provided specific examples of TSLA's eyewatering valuation based on its Enterprise Value. You haven't provided any ideas how TSLA will not only increase earning to justify its current price, but also drive shareholder returns going forward.


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