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TurbineDriver 07-31-2018 09:14 AM

Ok guys today I called Fidelity and asked them to roll over my Roth 401k money into my Fidelity Roth IRA. They told me my plan didn’t allow for this.

Am I missing something? I thought this is what many of you were doing...

m3113n1a1 07-31-2018 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by TurbineDriver (Post 2645990)
Ok guys today I called Fidelity and asked them to roll over my Roth 401k money into my Fidelity Roth IRA. They told me my plan didn’t allow for this.

Am I missing something? I thought this is what many of you were doing...

You can only roll over 401a contributions (I think).

TurbineDriver 07-31-2018 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 2645993)
You can only roll over 401a contributions (I think).

Can anyone confirm this?

FlightCrewTools 07-31-2018 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by TurbineDriver (Post 2646036)
Can anyone confirm this?

Confirmed.

Roth 401k money is not eligible to “roll out”.

401a (after-tax) money may be rolled out via an “in service withdrawal”, meaning while you still work here. The explanation and mechanics are pretty well outlined in this thread.

You can download a copy of the Summary Plan Description for the DPSP (our 401k) on Deltanet and it will give you the black and white of what is/isn’t allowed by the plan.

TurbineDriver 07-31-2018 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by FlightCrewTools (Post 2646045)
Confirmed.

Roth 401k money is not eligible to “roll out”.

401a (after-tax) money may be rolled out via an “in service withdrawal”, meaning while you still work here. The explanation and mechanics are pretty well outlined in this thread.

You can download a copy of the Summary Plan Description for the DPSP (our 401k) on Deltanet and it will give you the black and white of what is/isn’t allowed by the plan.

Thanks. I knew that Delta’s contributions could not be rolled out into a Roth IRA, but I assumed that our own personal Roth 401k contributions could be rolled out. Thanks for clarifying.

TurbineDriver 07-31-2018 11:17 AM

One more question....

Is it possible to have the company’s money go into separate funds than the 401a money? It would be nice to have all the 401a money go into a money market account so there wouldn’t be any taxes on gains when you move it into a Roth IRA.

Gunfighter 07-31-2018 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by TurbineDriver (Post 2646076)
One more question....

Is it possible to have the company’s money go into separate funds than the 401a money? It would be nice to have all the 401a money go into a money market account so there wouldn’t be any taxes on gains when you move it into a Roth IRA.

Yes. You may adjust the contribution elections on the Fidelity retirement site.

JamesBond 08-01-2018 07:35 AM

So here is my question regarding the decision to do this: If your 401 investments are doing better than your IRA investments, why would you want to make the withdrawl/transfer? Either way, they are tax free, so it would seem to me that the transfer would only be beneficial if you were doing better in a ROTH IRA than you were in a ROTH 401.


Or am I confusing ROTH 401 vs 401(a)?

crewdawg 08-01-2018 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2646573)
So here is my question regarding the decision to do this: If your 401 investments are doing better than your IRA investments, why would you want to make the withdrawl/transfer? Either way, they are tax free, so it would seem to me that the transfer would only be beneficial if you were doing better in a ROTH IRA than you were in a ROTH 401.


Or am I confusing ROTH 401 vs 401(a)?

I agree with you on the Roth 401k. However, most of this thread is discussing the 401a. The problem with 401a is that it's post tax money and the gains are taxed. You can do an "in-plan conversion" and leave it as "Roth money" in your DPSP or you can roll it to your Roth IRA. I just choose to put it in my Roth IRA for simplicity and to spread my money around. I also am trying to plus up my Roth IRA for possible SDIRA -> Real Estate investment opportunities down the road.

JamesBond 08-01-2018 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2646721)
I agree with you on the Roth 401k. However, most of this thread is discussing the 401a. The problem with 401a is that it's post tax money and the gains are taxed. You can do an "in-plan conversion" and leave it as "Roth money" in your DPSP or you can roll it to your Roth IRA. I just choose to put it in my Roth IRA for simplicity and to spread my money around. I also am trying to plus up my Roth IRA for possible SDIRA -> Real Estate investment opportunities down the road.

Can my 401a money not be in my ROTH 401k? I thought it was.


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