TCMC17RES

I want more clarification about being on long call without 30/168. Here's the FAR language:.

"117.25 Rest period.
(a) No certificate holder may assign and no flightcrew member may accept assignment to ANY RESERVE or duty with the certificate holder during any re- quired rest period.
(b) Before beginning ANY RESERVE or flight duty period a flightcrew member must be given at least 30 consecutive hours free from all duty WITHIN the past 168 consecutive hour period."

I don't see a special allowance for you to be on long call (long call fits the definition of 'any reserve') without 30/168. I read the guide and I think it is misleading in discussing RAP because it makes it appear that long call reserve is not included as requiring 30/168 by omission, but I don't think it is the case. I agree that long call is not duty and it is not rest, but it is reserve and I think it's a FAR violation to not have 30/168 and be kept on long call.

A new hire friend was on long call today and was approaching his 138th hour without any rest longer than 30 hours. I told him to call scheduling to be assigned rest because long call was requiring him to stay at his crash pad due to the inability to commute back to base from home. His scheduler did not release him off of long call but kept him on long call for a total of 167.5 hours from the end of his last rest. Therefore there was only 30 minutes of rest included in his last 168 hours of reserve (excluding some short layovers). The FAR seems very clear to me that you can't perform ANY RESERVE without 30 hours free from all duty WITHIN 168 hours. The FAR is also clear that this rest must occur WITHIN the 168 hours, but the scheduler on the phone started that he needed 30 hours rest AFTER 168 hours of reserve. How is that not a FAR violation to keep him on long call (any reserve) without rest?

deadseal

You are always on longcall unless given a specific rest assignment in icrew.

sailingfun

Your interpretation is incorrect. By definition reserves are always on long call but it is not a RAP or reserve duty period. Long call reserve is however not considered rest. You only need the 30 in 168 prior to a FDP or RAP. If your definition were correct it would be illegal to even build a schedule with more than 6 consecutive reserve days.

Han Solo

If you were assigned SC on the 6th and were released anytime before 6pm you are released to rest and will have 30 hours even though there is nowhere explicit in your schedule which says so. If the 7th were a ** instead of XX then you are released to rest at noon, again with no annotations to your schedule.

Other ways to practically figure out your status for trips are the rules auditor in icrew (open time, look bottom left for rules auditor button) and "display reserve rest periods" found in the completely illogical path of schedules->schedules:month->Display Reserve Rest Period Info

iaflyer

If you look closely in iCrew, you almost always get 30 hours of break at the end of a reserve block. Han Solo showed you where that information is located. I went back and looked at my June schedule (reserve) for the Reserve Rest Period and after each block of reserve, I started rest at 1200 so I got 30 hours rest.

The key word is Beginning - it does not say During. You friend likely had 30 hours of rest when he began his week of reserve. It's likely that he got released (as the contract says) on the 6th at 1200, and his 30 hours of rest started then. So then when he started reserve on 8th, he had had 30 hours of rest at the Beginning of that reserve block.

So it's legal.

Myfingershurt

If you get awarded more than six reserve days in a row and are not given a 30 hour rest break on an assigned trip you will be given a 30 hour rest break on a scheduled res day. Pretty much a free day off. Had it done several times when I was a res guy.

sailingfun

However the FAR’s don’t allow you to accept a illegal schedule and the company can’t build it that way even with the intent to fix it later. You could in fact legally be on long call for 20 straight days and then be assigned a trip that starts with a DH to a 30 hour layover. Your schedule was legal as built. The company gives you the 30 hours off because if they didn’t they would be severely constrained in what they could award you. It’s not however required by the FAR.

m3113n1a1

Yep they could theoretically keep you on long call for ten days and then call you for a deadhead to ICN on day 11 for your 30hrs rest in ICN! Or call you to operate a part 91 repo flight (unless the PWA prohibits it).