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Old 09-30-2018, 08:48 AM
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A pilot work week is tougher on the body. Sleep disruption, long duty hours, time zones, backside flying, air quality and density etc. take there toll. More time off to recover (vacation) used to be the norm. Not to mention time with family, being gone 14-16 days a month doesn’t leave much time for kids or spouses or your own down time relaxing with your choice of enjoyment. I think the 9-5 world wouldn’t be able to hack a career like we do. That’s why some instruct or take office jobs or bid reserve. We deserve more time off and better schedules and used to have them. QOL2019
I’m all for better vacation and quality of life in the next contract. But, I’m not buying that we deserve it because the job is so hard. This is the easiest GD job in the world for the money.

Any office job that pays even close to this kind of money probably comes with 60-70 hour weeks, a 24/7 tether to your bosses and a bunch of travel to boot. No thanks.

Even with a worst case 4 x 4 day month I’m still home at some point 22 days of that month. I’ve got more time with the family and free time than I’ve ever had I’m my life and I’m a junior NB guy.
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Old 09-30-2018, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf View Post
A pilot work week is tougher on the body. Sleep disruption, long duty hours, time zones, backside flying, air quality and density etc. take there toll. More time off to recover (vacation) used to be the norm. Not to mention time with family, being gone 14-16 days a month doesn’t leave much time for kids or spouses or your own down time relaxing with your choice of enjoyment. I think the 9-5 world wouldn’t be able to hack a career like we do. That’s why some instruct or take office jobs or bid reserve. We deserve more time off and better schedules and used to have them. QOL2019
Bingo!!!!!
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Old 09-30-2018, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Rooster435 View Post
I’m all for better vacation and quality of life in the next contract. But, I’m not buying that we deserve it because the job is so hard. This is the easiest GD job in the world for the money.

Any office job that pays even close to this kind of money probably comes with 60-70 hour weeks, a 24/7 tether to your bosses and a bunch of travel to boot. No thanks.

Even with a worst case 4 x 4 day month I’m still home at some point 22 days of that month. I’ve got more time with the family and free time than I’ve ever had I’m my life and I’m a junior NB guy.
you are showing your naivety. Wait until you get some years of abuse under your belt and then you'll have some street cred.....until then I suggest ears open and mouth closed
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Old 09-30-2018, 09:16 AM
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you are showing your naivety. Wait until you get some years of abuse under your belt and then you'll have some street cred.....until then I suggest ears open and mouth closed
So you’re saying the abuse gets worse the more senior I get? That’s a bummer.
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Old 09-30-2018, 10:29 AM
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So you’re saying the abuse gets worse the more senior I get? That’s a bummer.
Age has a lot to do with it. You never see 50 yr.old circus clowns.
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Old 09-30-2018, 10:34 AM
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You never see 50 yr.old circus clowns.
I used to see them all the time. Then I upgraded.
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Old 09-30-2018, 10:40 AM
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You have to admit those big shoes nail a V2 cut.
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Old 09-30-2018, 10:42 AM
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I used to see them all the time. Then I upgraded.
Oh man, that there is funny!
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Old 09-30-2018, 10:51 AM
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You have to admit those big shoes nail a V2 cut.
Abuse does get worse with age! Us youngins only have to do the V1 cut.

Of course in retirement you probably reminisce doing them as a captain and copilot: up-hill, both ways?
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Old 09-30-2018, 11:01 AM
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Absolutely, widebodies will do that for you. We probably don’t want the 737 verses 737 numbers posted.
How about the 737 numbers with the entire training bubble/churn completely backed out of it? Even then, our ridiculous narrow body fleet mix would still be a drag on our numbers because marketing's insistence that every hourly flight be operated by a different aircraft even in the same size range which devastates our trip mix potentialities on any one fleet which effects productivity quite a bit.

So back out the entire cost of training (except recurrent and short course upgrades only) then run the numbers with the 88 and 320 fleets blended in the network for a virtual trip mix/productivity bonanza and I think we'd do quite well against SWA.
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