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butterwm 12-01-2018 03:15 AM

APD Question
 
I submitted an APD request and it was denied for capped reserve days. I am trying to understand what power the APD has over just a personal drop if they both can be denied for capped reserve days. Any insight?

GucciBoy 12-01-2018 03:32 AM

An APD only needs reserves available to be 25% of required to be granted (unless it touches certain holiday blackout dates, then it’s still subject to denial). PD’s require all days to be above required.


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hockeypilot44 12-01-2018 04:54 AM

None of the days can touch 2 days before a holiday to one day after. For example, can't drop a trip with any days working Dec 23-26 or Dec 30- Jan 02 unless all days have blue reserve days (highly unlikely).

BeamMeUp 12-01-2018 05:37 AM

Contract reference 23.i.10

palooza 12-01-2018 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 2717114)
None of the days can touch 2 days before a holiday to one day after. For example, can't drop a trip with any days working Dec 23-26 or Dec 30- Jan 02 unless all days have blue reserve days (highly unlikely).

Not exactly, it’s at discretion of the company during those times. I had one in for quite a while leading up to thanksgiving a couple years ago and alas about 4-5 days prior even with black coverage they let me drop. The wording in the pwa I believe is: “may” during those days, not “can’t”

sailingfun 12-01-2018 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by palooza (Post 2717185)
Not exactly, it’s at discretion of the company during those times. I had one in for quite a while leading up to thanksgiving a couple years ago and alas about 4-5 days prior even with black coverage they let me drop. The wording in the pwa I believe is: “may” during those days, not “can’t”

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Big E 757 12-01-2018 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by palooza (Post 2717185)
Not exactly, it’s at discretion of the company during those times. I had one in for quite a while leading up to thanksgiving a couple years ago and alas about 4-5 days prior even with black coverage they let me drop. The wording in the pwa I believe is: “may” during those days, not “can’t”

Also, if you’re trying to drop something after the 26th, the wait until the Next month (Jan in this case) are published in Icrew before they run those. I had an APD in for a trip over Christmas years ago and it sat and sat, but then when the Jan schedules were released, it went through. Just be patient, you might get lucky.

Buckeyes 12-01-2018 09:21 AM

I used an APD to drop a trip Dec 22-25th this year. I didn’t think it would work but it did, granted the reserve coverage was very good

FL370esq 12-01-2018 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2717229)
Also, if you’re trying to drop something after the 26th, the wait until the Next month (Jan in this case) are published in Icrew before they run those. I had an APD in for a trip over Christmas years ago and it sat and sat, but then when the Jan schedules were released, it went through. Just be patient, you might get lucky.

I think you are referring to the denial reason you see when you put in for a swap of a rotation that is on your line for later in the month (26th and on). APDs can (and have) been granted for December carry-outs (i.e., over the New Year's holiday) before the January bid packages are posted much less before January schedules are released.


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