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Old 01-10-2019, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop View Post
As was posted this is old news. On the bigger point that our health insurance is lacking - you are 100% correct. For the most part we have substandard coverage.

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Absolutely correct. We need major improvements to health care this contract.
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:46 PM
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This is one example that shows that Our Health is too important to be left in the hands of people desiring more money.

My first choice is Sweden's Health Care system (#1 in the world), my second choice is Canada's (much better than ours), and my third preference is Medicare For All. Medicare is currently the most efficient Health Care System in the US.
Note: The new Amazon/Warren Buffet companies/Morgan Stanley Health Care system may prove to be a viable candidate to the above...

Toyota was putting in a new factory: Ontario or Arizona were the finalists. They choice Ontario for two reasons:
1-Toyota didn't have to mess with Health Care...all of their employees would be in OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Plan).
2-Ontario residents were more highly educated and trained than Arizona residents, because Ontario spent more money on education than Arizona did, so it would cost less for Toyota to get them up to speed.
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff View Post
This is one example that shows that Our Health is too important to be left in the hands of people desiring more money.

My first choice is Sweden's Health Care system (#1 in the world), my second choice is Canada's (much better than ours), and my third preference is Medicare For All. Medicare is currently the most efficient Health Care System in the US.
Note: The new Amazon/Warren Buffet companies/Morgan Stanley Health Care system may prove to be a viable candidate to the above...

Toyota was putting in a new factory: Ontario or Arizona were the finalists. They choice Ontario for two reasons:
1-Toyota didn't have to mess with Health Care...all of their employees would be in OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Plan).
2-Ontario residents were more highly educated and trained than Arizona residents, because Ontario spent more money on education than Arizona did, so it would cost less for Toyota to get them up to speed.
Sweden federal income tax is 62%
Canadian federal income tax is 33% on income above $210,000CAD.

We can get better healthcare, you just have to pay for it.
(If you hate paying the high deductible off the HSA plans just get DPMP and bite the bullet on premiums. It’s cheaper than European taxes)
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:19 PM
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No agenda.

Our executives return $4 Biliion annually to the shareholders.

Our medical should cost zero and we should be able to go anywhere we choose.

Stock buy backs are simply lighting billions of dollars on fire.
Go put this on skyhub under the good-idea forum. See if you get the 75 likes.
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain View Post
Sweden federal income tax is 62%
Canadian federal income tax is 33% on income above $210,000CAD.

We can get better healthcare, you just have to pay for it.
(If you hate paying the high deductible off the HSA plans just get DPMP and bite the bullet on premiums. It’s cheaper than European taxes)
Sweden’s highest rate is 56%. I think everything above 50% is wrong by definition, if you get more than half my money, you go do the job, but it isn’t 62%.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:09 PM
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Sweden also has only 10 million residents. We have over 300 million. Much more difficult to manage that.

I know several Canadians, and their health care has major issues. Yes, if you get diagnosed you will get excellent treatment, but it can be extremely hard to get that first appointment. One of my friends mom had some issues but it took her 2 years to get seen. Turned out to be cancer which by that point was stage 4 and beyond curing. I had another friend who had to make several 24 hour waits in the ER to get basic antibiotics because she couldn't get in to see a primary care physician to write a prescription. Care is rationed in Canada by the government limiting how many people can attend med school each year. Limiting the number of doctors lengthens the wait time and lowers cost for the program.
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Old 01-11-2019, 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru View Post
Sweden also has only 10 million residents. We have over 300 million.
We also have 44 million on Medicare. Medicare in the US has the highest rate of customer satisfaction of health care "providers;" users prefer it over private insurance.

Our DOD budget dwarfs all other nations, yet many folks on the left and right think it should be larger. Why is the size of our population so prohibitive WRT universal health care, but the size of military contracts and the number of military contractors isn't similarly restrictive of military expenditure? (Hint: lobbyists know how to turn policy and representatives against the best interests of their constituents).

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I know several Canadians, and their health care has major issues.
Honest question... do you think health care in the US has major issues too? The perfect is the enemy of the good. Anecdotes are fun (the Canadians I know well enough to have meaningful health care discussions with think our system is a disaster in comparison), but if you look at actual studies and polling, satisfaction, results and cost are almost universally better abroad.


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One of my friends mom had some issues but it took her 2 years to get seen. Turned out to be cancer which by that point was stage 4 and beyond curing.
I know two Americans who discovered stage 4 cancer too late to treat. My hunch is that you don't have the whole story with regards to a 2 year wait to even be seen, by that certainly sucks in any case.


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Care is rationed in Canada by the government limiting how many people can attend med school each year. Limiting the number of doctors lengthens the wait time and lowers cost for the program.
This is not a good talking point. We effectively do the same thing, and limit the number of (tax payer-funded) residencies. If you want to advocate for more slots, I'd be all for it. We're particularly short on primary care physicians.

As long as health care is all completely about profitability for corporations and individuals, it's going to suck (or maybe be great if you're willing to pay out your a55 or get your employer to). From the forums, it seems people aren't willing to pay out their a55es. You get what you pay for. If you don't want everyone to chip in like they do with western European tax rates, you'll individually pay quite a bit more for equivalent care.
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https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(18)30509-6/fulltext

42 percent of new cancer patients deplete their life savings in the first two years after diagnosis. Ouch.
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Old 01-11-2019, 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff View Post
This is one example that shows that Our Health is too important to be left in the hands of people desiring more money.

My first choice is Sweden's Health Care system (#1 in the world), my second choice is Canada's (much better than ours), and my third preference is Medicare For All. Medicare is currently the most efficient Health Care System in the US.
Note: The new Amazon/Warren Buffet companies/Morgan Stanley Health Care system may prove to be a viable candidate to the above...

Toyota was putting in a new factory: Ontario or Arizona were the finalists. They choice Ontario for two reasons:
1-Toyota didn't have to mess with Health Care...all of their employees would be in OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Plan).
2-Ontario residents were more highly educated and trained than Arizona residents, because Ontario spent more money on education than Arizona did, so it would cost less for Toyota to get them up to speed.
Why do so many Canadians come to the US for healthcare?
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Old 01-11-2019, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Why do so many Canadians come to the US for healthcare?
Why do we rank near the top on healthcare costs, but in the middle in quality and results?
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