Outstanding Chairman’s Letter
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Not applicable to the 717 forced movement. Also not applicable to people on "normal" fleets that get forced out due to people coming off the 88 above them onto their fleet. But keep trying though...
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Closing bases or retiring aircraft is the same in the end. People get displaced. The size of the bid is irrelevant.
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There have been a lot of good points raised about some of the onerous provisions of the one-year AE, trying to mix in important family events with unknown training dates, etc. However, lamenting MDs as some sort of company hose-job is just petty. You might as well just complain "can you believe I have to spend 1/3 of my days on the road, sleeping in hotels?"
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I've made no reference at all to the size of the bid. Sailing implied that people complaining about missing a major life event due to the complete crapshoot of when you go to training didn't have a legitimate gripe...
He said:
"Huh? A pilot can get what they request...then be unhappy about it?"
I agree that if you bid an AE or VD then under the current contract you are taking that roll of the dice. My only point was that there will be a lot of people on this bid who may be forced to miss major life events due to things completely out of their desire or control, coupled with the lack of very little control of when you go to training. This can happen under a huge big or a tiny bid, size is irrelevant. If they post an AE with 1 single displacement, that guy could still be screwed.
Simply stated, we need to look at ways to give us a little more control in this process under the next contract. Maybe it's shorter conversion windows, more frequent AE's, golden days/weeks, whatever. Just another area to seek improvement during negotiations.
He said:
"Huh? A pilot can get what they request...then be unhappy about it?"
I agree that if you bid an AE or VD then under the current contract you are taking that roll of the dice. My only point was that there will be a lot of people on this bid who may be forced to miss major life events due to things completely out of their desire or control, coupled with the lack of very little control of when you go to training. This can happen under a huge big or a tiny bid, size is irrelevant. If they post an AE with 1 single displacement, that guy could still be screwed.
Simply stated, we need to look at ways to give us a little more control in this process under the next contract. Maybe it's shorter conversion windows, more frequent AE's, golden days/weeks, whatever. Just another area to seek improvement during negotiations.
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