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Old 03-16-2019, 05:04 PM
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Can you post the block hours for each?






Huh? A pilot can get what they request...then be unhappy about it?

First World Problems.

Things are pretty good at DAL and getting better , but the 12 month conversion is a turd. Like many other items in our PWA we can probably improve this and hopefully we will.


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Old 03-16-2019, 05:05 PM
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Uh...we work in the airline industry. If you think that we have the right to show up on day one of our airline career, take a mental snapshot of the place and then say "yep, this is exactly how things will be 30 years from now"...you probably picked the wrong career.

There have been a lot of good points raised about some of the onerous provisions of the one-year AE, trying to mix in important family events with unknown training dates, etc. However, lamenting MDs as some sort of company hose-job is just petty. You might as well just complain "can you believe I have to spend 1/3 of my days on the road, sleeping in hotels?"
I'm not lamenting MD's, please don't put words in my mouth, I sort of get how the industry works. I'm lamenting how this part of our contract lags pretty much every other airline out there. Even the regional airline contracts don't give their companies that much latitude to schedule training over such a long window with minimal schedule protections for the pilot.
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Old 03-16-2019, 05:34 PM
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I'm not lamenting MD's, please don't put words in my mouth, I sort of get how the industry works. I'm lamenting how this part of our contract lags pretty much every other airline out there. Even the regional airline contracts don't give their companies that much latitude to schedule training over such a long window with minimal schedule protections for the pilot.
I agree with you on the last bit. There has to be a better way. If nothing else a far more frequent and predictable AE process would mitigate a lot of the consternation. But the prior posts were more along the lines of "MDs are going to cause some issues out there with pilots' personal lives." Yes, but that shouldn't be a huge shock to folks working in this industry. Easy for me to say now, as a guy who has never been MD'd and likely won't (currently ATL 320A).
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:44 PM
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Hard to belly up to the bar when I don’t drink.

The MEC chairman asked me to go. I said no. Then he asked again and I went. Long brutal days. ALPA National is a joke. A complete waste.
And yet you went, and spent our money.

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As usual you side with management 24/7.
I'm not related to anybody in management. How about you?

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Do you agree with our executives willfully and repeatedly violating our contract?
No. Don't agree with pilots violating it either. Do you? Are your ethics situational?
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:57 PM
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Sailing likes to tell us the horrors of other well-paying jobs. None that I know of ask their employees to risk skipping once-in-a-lifetime events (graduations, weddings, etc.) or completely bypass promotion.
"Completely"?

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I appreciate your attempt to lower our expectations,
I apologize if your expectations have been lowered by my reminders of reality.

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It won't be hard to take back small bits of schedule control if it's the will of our union to prioritize this particular QOL-enhancer.
I agree. I'd be interested in seeing where this particular issue ranks among the others. What do you think?
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Old 03-16-2019, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru View Post
You forget there are many people on all of these big bids who are forced out of their seat whether they like it or not...
I didn't forget. I know the difference between an AE and an MD...hence the term "request".
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SailingFud and Karnak will be here spreading all kinds of FUD and advocating us settling for less once section 6 negotiations begin...
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Old 03-16-2019, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GivemeVSP View Post
SailingFud and Karnak will be here spreading all kinds of FUD and advocating us settling for less once section 6 negotiations begin...
It’s pretty obvious that it’s getting close to section 6 openers, isn’t it?
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It’s pretty obvious that it’s getting close to section 6 openers, isn’t it?
Yup, all the company tools are starting to show up once again to tell us how lucky we are to be here. Next, we’re going to hear the sky is falling and Greece is going to take the world economy down, and damn we need to hurry up and cave in to get a ‘deal’
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Yup, all the company tools are starting to show up once again to tell us how lucky we are to be here. Next, we’re going to hear the sky is falling and Greece is going to take the world economy down, and damn we need to hurry up and cave in to get a ‘deal’
“We have settle in a hurry with many concessions! There is going to be a recession in 2017!!! Look at this chart we made.”

Oh, wait.........
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