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Old 03-17-2019, 06:17 AM
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Sailing likes to tell us the horrors of other well-paying jobs. None that I know of ask their employees to risk skipping once-in-a-lifetime events (graduations, weddings, etc.) or completely bypass promotion. I appreciate your attempt to lower our expectations, but I refuse to yield total control of my annual schedule to simply continue along a normal career progression with this family at Delta. It won't be hard to take back small bits of schedule control if it's the will of our union to prioritize this particular QOL-enhancer.

A wise management team would recognize the value of some more short- and long-term schedule control...if they really want to reduce "unpredictable" and expensive sick leave use. Until they do...a dad/mom/husband/wife/son/daughter's gotta do what a dad/mom/husband/wife/son/daughter's gotta do. CPOs will tell you the same thing in whatever code is the approved code-of-the-moment, I'm told.
Do you know a pilot at Delta who has been required to miss a once in a lifetime event? I certainly don’t but I do know a bunch who had the company make accommodations so they could attend lifetime events including me.
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Old 03-17-2019, 06:51 AM
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I’m sick of the posturing and chest-thumping by this MEC’s staunchest supporters. Get meaningful, long-lasting results that are in the best interest of our pilot group or get out of the way. In other words, walk the walk.


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Do you know a pilot at Delta who has been required to miss a once in a lifetime event? I certainly don’t but I do know a bunch who had the company make accommodations so they could attend lifetime events including me.
It would be nice to not have to rely on the “good graces” of the CPO to get once in a lifetime dates off. That being said, I have a GREAT! CP now but over my career that hasn’t always been the case. As an example when I was Atlanta based a lot of years ago (before we had JS privilege) and after my sister in law passed, I called up the ATL CPO to try and get authorized for the JS from SEA-ATL because the flight was pretty full. The answer I got was “She’s not a close enough relative.” Another time I’d been MD’d and my third child was due......Long story short, it was worse than pulling teeth to get the ATL CPO to swap 3 reserve days off for me (The need for the swap reared it’s ugly head after bidding). I still had the same amount of SC etc. I just needed to move the days off. I ended up telling him “I know you can do this, you just don’t want too.” Then I walked out of his office. He got me back in his office and did it but said not to tell anyone about it. WTF!?! That’s his J O B!

There should be some kind of preposted golden day like recurrent one a quarter so you can bid with confidence that you will get that day you need.

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Old 03-17-2019, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice View Post
I’m sick of the posturing and chest-thumping by this MEC’s staunchest supporters. Get meaningful, long-lasting results that are in the best interest of our pilot group or get out of the way. In other words, walk the walk.


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Just like the last (TA-1) group did? For the pilots to get anything close to what we want........it’s gonna take Unity that I haven’t seen here.........when either side has been leading the MEC. There shouldn’t be “sides” on the MEC.

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Old 03-17-2019, 07:32 AM
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Just like the last (TA-1) group did? For the pilots to get anything close to what we want........it’s gonna take Unity that I haven’t seen here.........when either side has been leading the MEC. There shouldn’t be “sides” on the MEC.



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I came onboard close to the tail end of the TA-1 debacle. So, from my perspective this MEC’s supporters seem far more desperate and vocal to the point that it’s becoming tiresome. That’s just my personal observation.

Unity - that should be everyone’s goal but we are nowhere close to that, I’m afraid. I don’t lay that at the feet of any particular faction within our group. The current MEC is the batter at the plate. If they don’t deliver on their posturing and rhetoric, it’s time for them to go. I will give them time to get a TA together. That’ll be their judgement day in my book.


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Old 03-17-2019, 07:42 AM
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I gotta ask.....How much experience do you have being part of a union in Section 6 negotiations? With your screen name I’d guess you were/are exmilitary? To me, you are coming across as already impatient for a deal and we haven’t even entered negotiations yet let alone reached the amendable date! How much time will you give them? Better question is how much time will you give the company? EB has already said don’t expect a deal this year. I think you need to hold the company’s feet to the fire and back your union 100% in Section 6........no matter who is at the helm of the union. Without unity we are not going to be overly successful.

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EB has already said don’t expect a deal this year..
I have seen this posted a lot. I've only been around for 1 round of contract negotiations. Why wouldn't he say that? Our PWAs amendable date isn't until 31Dec, so isn't he just stating the obvious? Or has it been common in the past to get a contract signed before this date? Historically, when have negotiations started?
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I gotta ask.....How much experience do you have being part of a union in Section 6 negotiations? With your screen name I’d guess you were/are exmilitary? To me, you are coming across as already impatient for a deal and we haven’t even entered negotiations yet let alone reached the amendable date! How much time will you give them? Better question is how much time will you give the company? EB has already said don’t expect a deal this year. I think you need to hold the company’s feet to the fire and back your union 100% in Section 6........no matter who is at the helm of the union. Without unity we are not going to be overly successful.

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All I’ll say is I’ve got an all civilian background with well over a decade of 121 time all with ALPA carriers. This exasperation is directed towards the non-stop chest-pumping on social media about how great this MEC is. I haven’t seen a single thing happen to back up those claims.

I’m not impatient for a deal. As I’ve already stated, I’ll give this MEC the time that is required to get a TA as long as it doesn’t pit one subgroup of Delta pilots against another. Talk about lack of unity if that happens. If it isn’t a grand slam to match the rhetoric, I don’t see how they can hold on to power. I simply believe they are backing themselves into a corner with unnecessary hyperbole that could epically backfire if they can’t deliver further eroding faith in our union.



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Originally Posted by crewdawg View Post
I have seen this posted a lot. I've only been around for 1 round of contract negotiations. Why wouldn't he say that? Our PWAs amendable date isn't until 31Dec, so isn't he just stating the obvious? Or has it been common in the past to get a contract signed before this date? Historically, when have negotiations started?

The Railway Labor Act requires both parties to negotiate in good faith.

Our executives repeatedly violate our contract and now refuse to negotiate in good faith.

The rules don’t apply to them.
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[QUOTE=GuardPolice;2784232]All I’ll say is I’ve got an all civilian background with well over a decade of 121 time all with ALPA carriers. This exasperation is directed towards the non-stop chest-pumping on social media about how great this MEC is. I haven’t seen a single thing happen to back up those claims.

I’m not impatient for a deal. As I’ve already stated, I’ll give this MEC the time that is required to get a TA as long as it doesn’t pit one subgroup of Delta pilots against another. Talk about lack of unity if that happens. If it isn’t a grand slam to match the rhetoric, I don’t see how they can hold on to power. I simply believe they are backing themselves into a corner with unnecessary hyperbole that could epically backfire if they can’t deliver further eroding faith in our union.

Go to one single day of an MEC meeting. Talk with all the reps and the 3 negotiators. Incredible people making huge sacrifices to further our profession.

Then come back here and share your take after meeting them.

The sad and pathetic old guard constantly spews nonsense to divide the group and help management.

I’m never asking you to believe a word I say, I’m asking you to meet the selfless leaders you are criticizing.
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