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#11
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The profit sharing paid to non contracts would have funded a stolen retirement by a factor of 5-10. We the pilots negotiated profit sharing. I read the BS of how happy they are to pay out PS and laugh.
#12
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A lot has happened since 07 - a lot of PROFIT, to be specific. Measuring our contract by gains or losses from previous contracts misses the big picture... which is (IMHO) big (and sustainable) profits. Don't lose the forest for the trees. Follow the money (specifically buybacks and expenditures to prevent organization by the FAs).
As far as I'm concerned, everyone on the seniority list has the prerogative to complain all they want. I'm not saying it will have any effect, but complaining is not a privilege one earns. If someone isn't happy with the share of the pie they're getting, so be it!
As far as I'm concerned, everyone on the seniority list has the prerogative to complain all they want. I'm not saying it will have any effect, but complaining is not a privilege one earns. If someone isn't happy with the share of the pie they're getting, so be it!
#14
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There's this flawed mentality that by the pilot group will get more by keeping other groups from unionizing. The company has many convinced that if others are able to negotiate and possibly get a bigger piece of pie that the pilots slice will get smaller...but the whole point of collective bargaining is to make the entire pie bigger...not steal it from the other workers.
Something that still baffles me is how awful the medical options for Delta pilots are compared to the rest of the industry. The DPMP is a standard plan but the premiums are about double what they should be.
#15
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Good Lawd....if he is ready to burn the house down and he got hired in 2014...he doesn't have his ante in the pot. Complain all he wants, he just doesn't have skin in the game to usurp/appropriate others' real sacrifices.
Ever owned a stock that filed for chapter 11....and a class action lawsuit is filed for malfeasance? To be part of the class you had to be there for it.....if you buy the stock after the cutoff....you can **** and moan till your hearts content, but you are not part of the class...and have no rights.
I just want to know ....is he part of the class or just a bomb thrower trying to incite and flagellate the masses into a frenzy before we have even exchanged openers
Hopefully, that sheds a little light on my position....if not, I'm sorry...it's the best I can do since you failed to provide any points to ponder about how my thinking need rehabilitation
Ever owned a stock that filed for chapter 11....and a class action lawsuit is filed for malfeasance? To be part of the class you had to be there for it.....if you buy the stock after the cutoff....you can **** and moan till your hearts content, but you are not part of the class...and have no rights.
I just want to know ....is he part of the class or just a bomb thrower trying to incite and flagellate the masses into a frenzy before we have even exchanged openers
Hopefully, that sheds a little light on my position....if not, I'm sorry...it's the best I can do since you failed to provide any points to ponder about how my thinking need rehabilitation
#16
Good Lawd....if he is ready to burn the house down and he got hired in 2014...he doesn't have his ante in the pot. Complain all he wants, he just doesn't have skin in the game to usurp/appropriate others' real sacrifices.
Ever owned a stock that filed for chapter 11....and a class action lawsuit is filed for malfeasance? To be part of the class you had to be there for it.....if you buy the stock after the cutoff....you can **** and moan till your hearts content, but you are not part of the class...and have no rights.
I just want to know ....is he part of the class or just a bomb thrower trying to incite and flagellate the masses into a frenzy before we have even exchanged openers
Hopefully, that sheds a little light on my position....if not, I'm sorry...it's the best I can do since you failed to provide any points to ponder about how my thinking need rehabilitation
Ever owned a stock that filed for chapter 11....and a class action lawsuit is filed for malfeasance? To be part of the class you had to be there for it.....if you buy the stock after the cutoff....you can **** and moan till your hearts content, but you are not part of the class...and have no rights.
I just want to know ....is he part of the class or just a bomb thrower trying to incite and flagellate the masses into a frenzy before we have even exchanged openers
Hopefully, that sheds a little light on my position....if not, I'm sorry...it's the best I can do since you failed to provide any points to ponder about how my thinking need rehabilitation
Generational rifts are already a problem, don’t find problem where there isn’t. I hope everyone is ready to fight for as much as we can get and be resilient to get the right deal, not necessarily the first one.
#17
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By borrowing money to buy back stock, they're is no reason not to totally restore every pilot, retired and active, to a pre bankruptcy funded retirement. If you borrow money to buy back stock, buy Aeromexico and build habitats in South America, you can restore the deferred compensation plans.
#18
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By borrowing money to buy back stock, they're is no reason not to totally restore every pilot, retired and active, to a pre bankruptcy funded retirement. If you borrow money to buy back stock, buy Aeromexico and build habitats in South America, you can restore the deferred compensation plans.
#19
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By borrowing money to buy back stock, they're is no reason not to totally restore every pilot, retired and active, to a pre bankruptcy funded retirement. If you borrow money to buy back stock, buy Aeromexico and build habitats in South America, you can restore the deferred compensation plans.
And then there is the over $12 billion they have returned to the shareholders since bankruptcy.
JMO, but not one penny should have gone to the shareholders until all Delta had a retirement the equivalent of 60% FAE.
Again, just my opinion. Those billions came from the pilots pockets.
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