Contract openers
04-04-2019, 05:31 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by PassportPlump
A good strategy would be to send out the detailed company opener.
04-04-2019, 05:40 AM
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Folks, don't read too much into the openers. They aren't a good indicator of what the final product will be. It will come down to the fact that because we can't take any job action, the company will stall and the union will naturally want to pass something/anything to keep the ball rolling. There will be a TA that doesn't even resemble the opener. We need FULL LANGUAGE IN THE TA. And time to read and consider it. If it's not acceptable, send it back. There will be TVM arguments and considerations. Other employees will grumble.
The ONLY difference this time is AA and UAL going through before us. Clearly, we will need to top whatever they achieve.
The ONLY difference this time is AA and UAL going through before us. Clearly, we will need to top whatever they achieve.
04-04-2019, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
...and the union will naturally want to pass something/anything to keep the ball rolling.
That's not the guidance I gave in any of my surveys, and that doesn't align with what I hear from my friends and coworkers.
They didn't cave or rush into a bad AM JV, so I'm hopeful DALPA can wait patiently for the good deal we want and have earned.
04-04-2019, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
There is no time value of money. We would never pass a TA without full retro pay.
No need to rush ever.
No need to rush ever.
04-04-2019, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
There is no time value of money. We would never pass a TA without full retro pay.
No need to rush ever.
No need to rush ever.
There is indeed time value of money, as sure as gravity.
There is also "time value of concessions" baked into a hastily agreed to contract.
Of course the trick is finding that ideal spot between those.
04-04-2019, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
There is no time value of money. We would never pass a TA without full retro pay.
No need to rush ever.
No need to rush ever.
04-04-2019, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Folks, don't read too much into the openers. They aren't a good indicator of what the final product will be. It will come down to the fact that because we can't take any job action, the company will stall and the union will naturally want to pass something/anything to keep the ball rolling. There will be a TA that doesn't even resemble the opener. We need FULL LANGUAGE IN THE TA. And time to read and consider it. If it's not acceptable, send it back. There will be TVM arguments and considerations. Other employees will grumble.
The ONLY difference this time is AA and UAL going through before us. Clearly, we will need to top whatever they achieve.
The ONLY difference this time is AA and UAL going through before us. Clearly, we will need to top whatever they achieve.
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