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Old 04-05-2019, 01:52 PM
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Seriously, pull the trigger already and make BOS back into a base! I spend at least 12 nights a month in boston. About 1 out of every three rotations I'll spend 2 to 3 nights in BOS at the Park Plaza or Revere. I asked at the Plaza what the avg nightly number of Delta pilots where there...their answer easily 200+. Between them and the Revere Delta has to be putting out a ton of cash for just rooms! Oh, and while you're at it, open up MCO and DFW too!
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Old 04-05-2019, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by vyperdriver View Post
Seriously, pull the trigger already and make BOS back into a base! I spend at least 12 nights a month in boston. About 1 out of every three rotations I'll spend 2 to 3 nights in BOS at the Park Plaza or Revere. I asked at the Plaza what the avg nightly number of Delta pilots where there...their answer easily 200+. Between them and the Revere Delta has to be putting out a ton of cash for just rooms! Oh, and while you're at it, open up MCO and DFW too!
If I remember, from a union email, that MCO and BOS are the highest number of rooms for us - in non hub cities
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Old 04-05-2019, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by NoDeskJob View Post
If I remember, from a union email, that MCO and BOS are the highest number of rooms for us - in non hub cities
They are.

I was recently watching a video on skyhub/skynet and someone from either network or crew planning (don't remember which one) and they were giving and overview of the central hubs (ATL, MSP, DTW, and SLC) and then the coastal hubs (SEA, LAX, and NYC) to which they then announced that BOS has been upgraded from "focus" city" to coastal hub.

Don't think that means they are making it a pilot domicile, but look at what has happened in SEA over the last 5-7 years.....same could be happening in BOS.

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Old 04-05-2019, 06:22 PM
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Low Cost Long Haul has been tried many many times and the battlefield is littered with the blood of deceased carriers, most recently WOW. Air Asia X is the only Carrier I can think of that has had limited success. Maybe Azul in Brazil too but haven’t kept track of their financials recently. Guess jetBlue believes the A321NEO will be the savior. If they struggle I could see Needleman making a Steve Jobs type return to jetBlue thru a Moxy Airlines merger or hostile takeover.
While many have derided JetBlue for not having a clear and concise plan when it comes to many operational and organizational strategies, or at least the communication thereof, one thing most are sure of is that they are no longer strictly a low cost carrier by various definitions. One such measure is class of service and they will now have 4. Mint(business), Even More Space(read comfort +), Core(coach) and relatively recently announced basic economy. If anything I forsee B6 making a somewhat similar transition as did WestJet of Canada, into a full service carrier, which many will remember David Neeleman had a hand in founding before JetBlue. WestJet started long haul flying with old 767s not too long ago as a test and just received their first of almost a dozen 787s after deciding to make an honest go of it. They have been fairly successful thus far and JetBlue isn’t even trying to use WBs...yet.

The market is dynamic and B6 having prime hubs in JFK & BOS, while not guaranteeing success by any means, doesn’t necessarily doom them to the recesses of the transatlantic battlefield either. Reference DL’s preemptive response to presumed competition.
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Old 04-06-2019, 02:44 PM
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Like WestJet, all B6 has to do is start a JV with Delta and they’ll have 30 787s on property in no time!


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Old 04-06-2019, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedbird2263 View Post
While many have derided JetBlue for not having a clear and concise plan when it comes to many operational and organizational strategies, or at least the communication thereof, one thing most are sure of is that they are no longer strictly a low cost carrier by various definitions. One such measure is class of service and they will now have 4. Mint(business), Even More Space(read comfort +), Core(coach) and relatively recently announced basic economy. If anything I forsee B6 making a somewhat similar transition as did WestJet of Canada, into a full service carrier, which many will remember David Neeleman had a hand in founding before JetBlue. WestJet started long haul flying with old 767s not too long ago as a test and just received their first of almost a dozen 787s after deciding to make an honest go of it. They have been fairly successful thus far and JetBlue isn’t even trying to use WBs...yet.



The market is dynamic and B6 having prime hubs in JFK & BOS, while not guaranteeing success by any means, doesn’t necessarily doom them to the recesses of the transatlantic battlefield either. Reference DL’s preemptive response to presumed competition.
You make a very good point that jetBlue is rising out of the LCC field into a new Low Cost Premium realm. It'll be interesting to see how it all works out. Westjet just started 787 operations so well find out soon if it works well. Norwegian is on life support so we know the ULCC route even with a 787 is difficult. Personally I think the A321LR will be a game changer and will work for a limited number of European routes. Heck even the CS300 might be viable for places like Dublin

While we're on the subject, here's a fantastic article just released covering the Low Cost Long Haul dilemma :

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/op-e...sons-it-didnt/

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Old 04-07-2019, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7 View Post
While we're on the subject, here's a fantastic article just released covering the Low Cost Long Haul dilemma :

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/op-e...sons-it-didnt/
An insightful article on the subject matter indeed. With Ben Baldanza also being a relatively new B6 board member, one would hope lessons learned are used strategically to prevent yet another financial and operational misadventure on long flights of fancy.
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Old 04-07-2019, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by vyperdriver View Post
Seriously, pull the trigger already and make BOS back into a base! I spend at least 12 nights a month in boston. About 1 out of every three rotations I'll spend 2 to 3 nights in BOS at the Park Plaza or Revere. I asked at the Plaza what the avg nightly number of Delta pilots where there...their answer easily 200+. Between them and the Revere Delta has to be putting out a ton of cash for just rooms! Oh, and while you're at it, open up MCO and DFW too!
A) A base there might be at the expense of 10, 20, 30 lines of flying at your base, wherever that is
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B) There are so many different kinds of airplanes going into BOS that it'd probably be a tough call as to which jet to base pilots there. I think if the 320+737 were all one or the other, there would have been a base by now.
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Old 04-07-2019, 08:33 AM
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Agree. Rumor is JeTBlUe is going to attempt translant svc in 321LR’s. I could see that being difficult for them. It’ll be a big fight by all carriers on both sides of the pond. Boston domestic is already under full siege by Delta. I’ve heard where we are growing Boston for a reason.
Yep. We've been waiting on them to expose themselves across the pond and are ready to pounce after they get just enough inertia and sunken costs going to make it worth our while to strike back. The TA market is incredibly competitive yet the hubris of infinite growth mode "new entrants" thinking it will be self printing money is almost as bad as Hawaii.

This ain't 2002 anymore.
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Old 04-07-2019, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by vyperdriver View Post
Seriously, pull the trigger already and make BOS back into a base! I spend at least 12 nights a month in boston...
All true. However marketing is the only reason it hasn't been a pilot domicile for the last several years. Until and unless they are slightly reined in and flt ops given more than a token say, the temptation to make every hourly flight a different fleet type (including same sized fleets) will make picking any one fleet to base there nothing more than a dart board fantasy.

The Shuttle is a potential exception to that, but it first has to be firmly established if its going to be 717 or C100 ("Airbus" LOL!) and even then we'd probaly create a NYC layover for every BOS layover we prevented.

And LOL at the C Series doing TA. The only thing it could really do is high intensity fare competitive routes like DUB etc. That's hardly worth the higher CASM of a smaller plane like that. NE-Ireland is the complete opposite of long and thin. That would be a rediculous use of that plane. Even the -500 would be a stretch, literally and figuratively.
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