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Old 06-13-2019, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg View Post
That may be, but ICAO recently rejected the idea. Until ICAO changes it, I don't see the FAA changing it.
I certainly does not look like the retirement age is going to be raised anytime soon. To quote the recent EASA report:

"4.2.3 Age limit multi-pilot operations
Based on the outcome of Parts 1 and 2, it was concluded that allowing pilots older than 65 years in multi-pilot CAT operations would require additional risk-mitigation measures such as specific tests to
support the aeromedical decision on the applicant’s fitness on an individual basis."

And as I read figure 5.1, there appears to me to be an argument for rolling the retirement age back to 62 or 63, if the upper and lower estimates for incapacitation are averaged. Of course that is not going to happen.

Google "EASA_REP_RESEA_2017_1 " for the report.
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Old 06-13-2019, 06:11 AM
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There is not much of a difference between 65 and 67. It really just depends on the individual. Some people age very well and some don’t. Anyone can drop dead at any time regardless of age. The retirement age should be raised and the FAA medical system allowed to continue to screen as they always do. Additionally, Delta does screen for mental acuity during sims checks. Older pilots with dementia - younger than 60 - have failed check rides due to this reason. 65 is a random number. Some pilots should leave earlier and many do - some not voluntarily. The system, although not perfect, does work. Additional tests could be done if desired. There are tests, including MRI’s, to screen for virtually everything.

Our retirement is currently structured where, with proper planning, one can retire at a time much earlier than 65. Those who wish to retire can. Some who were caught in the transition from a DB plan to the DC plan should have the option of staying longer if they wish to and are able.

The retirement age could easily be raised to 67.
Of course it depends on the individual, and it's a straw man argument to suggest anyone thinks otherwise. For better or worse, you and hundreds of thousands class 1 medical certificate holders live in society and not in their own little bubbles. I know 14 year olds who could safely drive automobiles and 18 year olds who cannot. I know 8 year olds who can stay safe unattended in a hot tub and 14 year olds who cannot. I know 16 year olds responsible enough to rent a car and a few who never should. Clearly we know people on both sides of 21 who should/shouldn't use alcohol.

Most people (myself included) accept that most laws don't have the granularity to tailor to each individual snowflake. In a country of 330 million people that's just not practical or affordable. Oh well!

If you'd be safe flying for Delta until 72, my heart goes out to you. The corporate (and cargo?) world will accept you with open arms.
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Old 06-13-2019, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers View Post
Anybody know what the retirement age is of doctors?
First of all if they screw up they only usually harm one person, and even with that very limited exposure medical errors alone account for about a fully loaded 747 worth of fatalities per day.
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Old 06-13-2019, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74 View Post
Of course it depends on the individual, and it's a straw man argument to suggest anyone thinks otherwise. For better or worse, you and hundreds of thousands class 1 medical certificate holders live in society and not in their own little bubbles. I know 14 year olds who could safely drive automobiles and 18 year olds who cannot. I know 8 year olds who can stay safe unattended in a hot tub and 14 year olds who cannot. I know 16 year olds responsible enough to rent a car and a few who never should. Clearly we know people on both sides of 21 who should/shouldn't use alcohol.

Most people (myself included) accept that most laws don't have the granularity to tailor to each individual snowflake. In a country of 330 million people that's just not practical or affordable. Oh well!

If you'd be safe flying for Delta until 72, my heart goes out to you. The corporate (and cargo?) world will accept you with open arms.
That's a great argument, if at 65 you still have another 10 yrs of your life to give to aviation, there are many avenues that would be glad to have you in this hiring environment. It's also easier for others to watch and manage for signs of dementia and confusion in the cockpit in a 10 person corporate flight department than a 14,000 pilot cadre.
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Old 06-13-2019, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers View Post
Anybody know what the retirement age is of doctors?....just curious
You might find this to be interesting.

Bottom line is that there is none, and that is seen as a problem.
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Old 06-13-2019, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 742Dash View Post
You might find this to be interesting.

Bottom line is that there is none, and that is seen as a problem.
Our entire health care system is a problem. It is supposedly "free market" except there is zero transparency to even come close to accurately pricing a product or any ability outside word of mouth to find good or bad doctors. The only capitalist thing about our health care is that the doctors make money and the insurance companies make MASSIVE profits on the backs of people who literally need their product for survival.
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Old 06-13-2019, 11:51 AM
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“The Japanese transport ministry has decided to raise the retirement age for airline pilots to 67 from 64 to cope with a shortage in pilots.

The transport ministry said it will make stricter health checks mandatory for pilots aged 64 to 67 and limit the number of flight hours for them to 80 per month.

The airline industry is facing a drastic shortage of pilots ..... “

Feb. 2015

Seems like they’re okay with it and do have the details worked out. It could definitely happen here. ICAO had nothing to do with it.
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Old 06-13-2019, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer View Post
“The Japanese transport ministry has decided to raise the retirement age for airline pilots to 67 from 64 to cope with a shortage in pilots.

The transport ministry said it will make stricter health checks mandatory for pilots aged 64 to 67 and limit the number of flight hours for them to 80 per month.

The airline industry is facing a drastic shortage of pilots ..... “

Feb. 2015

Seems like they’re okay with it and do have the details worked out. It could definitely happen here. ICAO had nothing to do with it.
The FAA would look at it if ICAO did just for conformity, so ICAO has a lot to do with it. Sorry, as much as you want it to happen you are not going to get an extra 2 years at high seniority just because Japan has changed their age. You can still go fly part 135 or 125 though if you want to keep flying.
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Old 06-13-2019, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium View Post
The FAA would look at it if ICAO did just for conformity, so ICAO has a lot to do with it. Sorry, as much as you want it to happen you are not going to get an extra 2 years at high seniority just because Japan has changed their age. You can still go fly part 135 or 125 though if you want to keep flying.
I’m outta here NLT 65, maybe sooner, regardless of what happens. Three to five more years was personally an optimum amount of time to keep flying, professionally and financially. I’m simply stating that IMHO it is inevitable it will be raised at some point for multiple valid reasons with additional safeguards.
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Old 06-13-2019, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer View Post
Seems like they’re okay with it and do have the details worked out. It could definitely happen here. ICAO had nothing to do with it.
If ICAO doesn't up the age limit, you're now confined to flying within the United States (or the few countries that may have a higher limit). So what are all those senior dudes on the 777/350/etc... going to do, drop down to planes that do little international? How do you affect that move? How do you implement this without abrogating seniority?
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