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Just remember everyone, calling in fatigued, and choosing to not accept an extension because you would not be fit to operate it are two distinctly different things. If you call in fatigued, it ties their hands, and they have to put you into rest right away. If you say you cannot accept an extension, then they can reroute you into a shorter segment that does not require an extension.

Everyone is different, but for me, the longer the flight that will operate into the two hour extension, the harder it is to be sure I would be fit to fly by the end of that flight. I don't think the company is going after people who choose not to extend. I also doubt they are going after people who call in fatigued unless it is just exceedingly obvious abuse. In that case, wouldn't you want the company to go after them? I know there are exceptions and sometimes an innocent person gets caught up or falsely targeted, but most of the times when I hear all of the facts from both sides I see why the company chooses to investigate certain actions.

The key with sick leave, fatigue, and extensions, is if you are actually not ready to go, you shouldn't fly. One of the reasons we get paid the big bucks is to make these sometimes tough decisions.

Be safe out there.

hockeypilot44

This is false. I had an incident last week where I got a reroute that showed me getting in 9 minutes before having to extend. When I looked closer at rotation, I realized they had the flight attendants were scheduled for a 20 minute turn. Obviously our reroute went into the extension. I called crew tracking and the 24 hour ALPA line. I was told by both that it was a legal reroute and I wasn't rerouted into an extension but delayed into an extension.

I actually believe the post about looking for people to make examples of. I called in fatigue one time years ago and ended up getting calls from 2 duty pilots and a chief pilot. The chief pilot was threatening my pay even though there was no legit threat as I was content getting paid for what I actually did (my call was at end of rotation when I was rerouted to fly instead of deadhead). Fatiguing out is absolutely more hassle than continuing.

notEnuf

Which you chose to extend into. My point was the reroute can’t be scheduled into the extension. In your case the 20 min turn was not realistic and could be argued was an illegal assignment because of the known delay. You should have stated you will not extend because there is no realistic estimate of the length of your duty, therefore no way to ensure you will be adequately fit for the undefined duty.

Rooster435

How exactly would they make an example of you?

Since the last Contract there is a process now for fatigue calls and pay. Dalpa periodically puts out the statistics and an Overwhelming majority of pilots are getting paid.

notEnuf

You known your fatigued when you are frustrated dealing with calculating extensions of every crew member to see if you can legally operate the flight.

TED74

Was told the story of a recent fatigue call...

LCA was rerouted with his F/O into a long and challenging day and subsequently called in fatigued; F/O also called in. Review board was willing to pay the captain, but initially declined to pay-protect the F/O on the identical rotation. They reportedly said “he bid to fly with LCAs, that’s on him.” LCA followed up, justifiably livid and was reported to have succeeded in overturning the board’s decision.

How anyone on this board found bidding strategy relevant to fatigue pay protection determination (clearly iaw the PWA and normal PBS functionality) is beyond me. If I ever trusted the system before, I sure don’t any longer.

DALMD88FO

Ok someone clarify something for me. I thought the fatigue board consisted on two alpa guys and two company guys and the tie goes to the pilot so, unless you do something really stupid like calling in fatigued leg 1 day 1, the decision should always fail safe to paying the pilot.

sailingfun

The board does not even function as your post suggests and how you were awarded the trip would not even be considered. The board simply looks at the specifics of the fatigue call. The board refusing to award pay is in single digits.

notEnuf

So is the inference that LCAs are supernatural and don’t require sleep or are impervious to fatigue? If you can’t hang with Superman don’t bid to fly with him.

GogglesPisano

Not following here. Do LCA’s have different duty days than everyone else?