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Old 06-09-2019, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
Not following here. Do LCA’s have different duty days than everyone else?
Nothing to follow...it’s non-sensical, right?
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Old 06-09-2019, 02:09 PM
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Ok someone clarify something for me. I thought the fatigue board consisted on two alpa guys and two company guys and the tie goes to the pilot so, unless you do something really stupid like calling in fatigued leg 1 day 1, the decision should always fail safe to paying the pilot.
That’s what I recall from the sales pitch but I haven’t had to use it yet. Not extending is completely different.
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Old 06-09-2019, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
The board refusing to award pay is in single digits.
I know it’s thought to be a low percentage for post-sign-in trips and higher for pre-sign-in fatigue calls. Single digits sounds really low, but I did (before hearing this story) trust that the system was pro-safety (as I think pay-protecting pilots is).
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Old 06-09-2019, 02:14 PM
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I know it’s thought to be a low percentage for post-sign-in trips and higher for pre-sign-in fatigue calls. Single digits sounds really low, but I did (before hearing this story) trust that the system was pro-safety (as I think pay-protecting pilots is).
How would you be fatigued before you even sign in for the trip?
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Old 06-09-2019, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf View Post
Not extending is completely different.
It should be, but the company muddies the water by telling us to follow the fatigue/not fit for duty reporting protocol when refusing an extension.
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Old 06-09-2019, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
How would you be fatigued before you even sign in for the trip?
He was probably referring to the fatigue call being heavily influenced by events that happened before sign in. Example: your 4 year old has a bad dream, comes down to your bed at 1am screaming. Then once you settle him down he proceeds to give you a kick in the throat or ribs approximately once an hour until you wake up at 5am to get ready for your trip. Purely hypothetical of course..
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Old 06-09-2019, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 4fans View Post
He was probably referring to the fatigue call being heavily influenced by events that happened before sign in. Example: your 4 year old has a bad dream, comes down to your bed at 1am screaming. Then once you settle him down he proceeds to give you a kick in the throat or ribs approximately once an hour until you wake up at 5am to get ready for your trip. Purely hypothetical of course..
Would you expect to be paid for a trip in that situation?
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Old 06-09-2019, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
How would you be fatigued before you even sign in for the trip?
Is this a serious question?

Commute gone awry, hotel issues for a commuter that can happen before sign-in just like they happen after, any number of disruptions to getting rested before starting the trip. You are evaluating your rest before sign-in, are you not? If you don’t think you can safely complete (or perhaps even start) your FDP, you’re obligated to say so.
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Old 06-09-2019, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74 View Post
Is this a serious question?

Commute gone awry, hotel issues for a commuter that can happen before sign-in just like they happen after, any number of disruptions to getting rested before starting the trip. You are evaluating your rest before sign-in, are you not? If you don’t think you can safely complete (or perhaps even start) your FDP, you’re obligated to say so.
Well again would you expect the company to pay you for the trip? Sounds like it should be a PD.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Well again would you expect the company to pay you for the trip? Sounds like it should be a PD.
Every situation is different, so I won’t speculate on pay expectations. I do think pay protection is understandably less frequent before sign-in. PD doesn’t work at 0400 before an 0600 sign-in.

Sailing, any chance you’re fatigued right now? I understand you want to speak for management, but you’re grasping for counterpoints that are out of character.
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