Being punished for calling in fatigued.
#22
Ok someone clarify something for me. I thought the fatigue board consisted on two alpa guys and two company guys and the tie goes to the pilot so, unless you do something really stupid like calling in fatigued leg 1 day 1, the decision should always fail safe to paying the pilot.
#23
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I know it’s thought to be a low percentage for post-sign-in trips and higher for pre-sign-in fatigue calls. Single digits sounds really low, but I did (before hearing this story) trust that the system was pro-safety (as I think pay-protecting pilots is).
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How would you be fatigued before you even sign in for the trip?
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He was probably referring to the fatigue call being heavily influenced by events that happened before sign in. Example: your 4 year old has a bad dream, comes down to your bed at 1am screaming. Then once you settle him down he proceeds to give you a kick in the throat or ribs approximately once an hour until you wake up at 5am to get ready for your trip. Purely hypothetical of course..
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He was probably referring to the fatigue call being heavily influenced by events that happened before sign in. Example: your 4 year old has a bad dream, comes down to your bed at 1am screaming. Then once you settle him down he proceeds to give you a kick in the throat or ribs approximately once an hour until you wake up at 5am to get ready for your trip. Purely hypothetical of course..
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Is this a serious question?
Commute gone awry, hotel issues for a commuter that can happen before sign-in just like they happen after, any number of disruptions to getting rested before starting the trip. You are evaluating your rest before sign-in, are you not? If you don’t think you can safely complete (or perhaps even start) your FDP, you’re obligated to say so.
Commute gone awry, hotel issues for a commuter that can happen before sign-in just like they happen after, any number of disruptions to getting rested before starting the trip. You are evaluating your rest before sign-in, are you not? If you don’t think you can safely complete (or perhaps even start) your FDP, you’re obligated to say so.
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Is this a serious question?
Commute gone awry, hotel issues for a commuter that can happen before sign-in just like they happen after, any number of disruptions to getting rested before starting the trip. You are evaluating your rest before sign-in, are you not? If you don’t think you can safely complete (or perhaps even start) your FDP, you’re obligated to say so.
Commute gone awry, hotel issues for a commuter that can happen before sign-in just like they happen after, any number of disruptions to getting rested before starting the trip. You are evaluating your rest before sign-in, are you not? If you don’t think you can safely complete (or perhaps even start) your FDP, you’re obligated to say so.
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Sailing, any chance you’re fatigued right now? I understand you want to speak for management, but you’re grasping for counterpoints that are out of character.
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