Being punished for calling in fatigued.
#41
Besides the crying baby or loudly snoring crash-pad bunkmate, perhaps a reserve pilot is assigned an IROP rotation that delivers an airplane and lands at oh-dark thirty, gets a 5 or 6 hour layover then deadheads back to domicile and is assigned a trip that signs in 12 hours later that night when doing the post-rotation schedule check. I think that would be fatiguing.
#42
He was probably referring to the fatigue call being heavily influenced by events that happened before sign in. Example: your 4 year old has a bad dream, comes down to your bed at 1am screaming. Then once you settle him down he proceeds to give you a kick in the throat or ribs approximately once an hour until you wake up at 5am to get ready for your trip. Purely hypothetical of course..
#44
Correct, any reroute must be legal without an extension at the time it is assigned. After that all the normal FDP limits and extensions apply.
Many times this is why you cannot be put back on your original delayed flight that you were rerouted out of. Once you have your reroute schedule any further change must be legal without the extension, even if it was on your schedule earlier in the day.
Many times this is why you cannot be put back on your original delayed flight that you were rerouted out of. Once you have your reroute schedule any further change must be legal without the extension, even if it was on your schedule earlier in the day.
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#45
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Maybe we should have the option to use a sick call. If your kid is sick that’s as good as you being sick yourself sometimes.
#46
So a good friend of mine, who I’ve known for a very long time, told me the following: He ran into one of our ALPA guys, who said that if you call in fatigued “one too many times” the company may send you to see a company doctor for a medical evaluation. They are looking to make examples of people apparently.
And no, this isn’t for the 5% who may abuse the policy.
So where’s the FAA on this? Oh, wait a minute!!
And no, this isn’t for the 5% who may abuse the policy.
So where’s the FAA on this? Oh, wait a minute!!
#47
A PD is done via PCS for rotations or reserve on call days beginning no earlier than the next day and is processed by position in seniority order and has to have sufficient reserve availability.
While calling the CPO and having them get involved day of results in the same thing of you not working they trip, that’s technically not a PD as defined in the PWA.
While calling the CPO and having them get involved day of results in the same thing of you not working they trip, that’s technically not a PD as defined in the PWA.
I had a trip a couple of years ago on reserve "PD'd" by the CPO after my father-in-law was in a serious auto accident between my commute and report. The NY CPO was awesome, BTW. They even called the next day to check on him, and asked if I needed to PD another day, with zero pressure either way.
#49
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Another data point... (Calling the CPO is reflected as a PD on your schedule.)
I had a trip a couple of years ago on reserve "PD'd" by the CPO after my father-in-law was in a serious auto accident between my commute and report. The NY CPO was awesome, BTW. They even called the next day to check on him, and asked if I needed to PD another day, with zero pressure either way.
I had a trip a couple of years ago on reserve "PD'd" by the CPO after my father-in-law was in a serious auto accident between my commute and report. The NY CPO was awesome, BTW. They even called the next day to check on him, and asked if I needed to PD another day, with zero pressure either way.
#50
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Legal but not reasonable. I've been rerouted into an extra leg that showed 10 minutes from block in from one leg to block out of the next in order for the extension to be "legal". Then when you somehow can't manage to make that tight turn and are "delayed" into your extension, it's on the pilot to call in fatigued or unfit for duty. The company's ethics can often be suspect.
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