Reserve Full Question
 

Once full on reserve line, are you eligible to green slip? If awarded does this earn payback days for those days that were originally RSV?

Start a 3-day tomorrow and already full at 80:00 for July (17th!) Not sure I have the energy left to fly any more this month anyway.....


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I'm no contract guru, but I've successfully yellow slipped after "full".

(Don't judge me, junior in category and all that. Those huge paychecks are addictive.)

Not sure if you get the payback days.

Be very careful greenslipping on reserve when full. You can only greenslip on scheduled x days no matter whether you are full or not. If your GS touches on call days (even tho you are full) you get your pay above guarantee but no PB day for those days.

By the way it’s single pay only. You are on reserve and being full makes no difference.

Denny

That’s kind of what I figured. Wanted to confirm my suspicions. Thanks Denny.


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Depending on coverage, one thing you can try is dropping the remaining days then GS on those.

You can't GS on dropped (pd or apd) reserve days.

Nope. Per 23.I.13 A reserve pilot cannot get a GS that operates on a day of your personal drop.

I greenslip on PD days all the time. It may be different on reserve but you can do it if a regular line holder.

It is different, he said you can't GS on PD "reserve days", implying that you are on reserve for this restriction to apply...

If you GS on an on call day after you are full its single pay and credit with no PB days (just like a YS). YS come earlier in the coverage ladder so if you want to fly that is your best bet. However, a YS cant take you above ALV+15, only a GS can do that so make sure you run the numbers before submitting your request.

So, isn’t FULL supposed to appear on your schedule once assigned to a trip that gets you there? Never appeared on mine until I called and told them to fix it before they try assigning me more flying.

Just another one of those “little mistakes” that always seems to fall in the company’s favor....


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It’s a manual process. My experience is it’s 50/50 that they get it on there without me asking. If it’s not there, just call.

There is no need waste your time and call them. If you're full you're full regardless of whether or not it's noted on your schedule. Once you're full you have no further obligation to be on call.

Trying to keep current trip I’m on from getting extended into the full days. If I was already at home, agreed.


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If you’re on a trip then I don’t think you are really full until the trip is done.

^^^THIS^^^

The Alpa provided scheduling handbook that is now available on the company iPad under ALPA, Scheduling was updated in April and is a fantastic resource.

Really spells out the rules about this is easy to understand, non-contractual language.

Agree on the technicality of this; however, if CS is in an IROP or in quick trip coverage mode the pilot’s phone could be blowing up. Sure, don’t take the calls but it benefits everyone if the schedule officially says full.


GP

So, let them call :P They will figure it out quickly when you don't answer or acknowledge. I rarely come close to filling up but filled up a couple years ago. Once full I acknowledged two SCs they assigned me and got 2 extra hours on top of the guarantee.

No such animal. If you are on a trip you are subject to reroute. Makes no difference if full is on your schedule. You can’t however be rerouted out of your domicile at the end of a trip.

Are you sure about the last sentence? I seem to remember that they could do tag on flying to reserve pilots.

I don’t think they can do that if he is full.

But he’s not full until the rotation is complete. They just have to keep the assignment under ALV+15. Otherwise he shouldn’t have been assigned the trip.

It’s semantics but this is sort of what I was wondering. I’d argue I was full as soon as assigned to that trip that took me above full. (Before I even reported.) Another perspective might say otherwise. I don’t believe the wording in the PWA is specific enough to clarify.


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Where is this codified? I looked around a bit and didn’t find anything that would support this.



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I don’t have PWA references to quote, but reserves don’t have rotation guarantee which means they can be released or rerouted into shorter trips which could prevent a pilot from getting full.


GP

This right here. If the trip is cut short because of a domicile layover then the person may not reach the full level. Conversely they may be rerouted into higher value days which would cause the trip to crest the full level only to be rerouted again below the level. The full doesn’t get applied until you are released. I don’t know if it codified but that is how it works.

I had a three day trip which put me over the top, followed by two more LC days. Release from last day of the rotation was about 2300. If I had waited that long to get FULL placed on my schedule, I would already have been assigned another two-day (before release from the first rotation) and they would have forced me to fly the two day.

Put another way, on the morning of the third and last day of my trip, I would have been assigned another trip, since I still showed as LC. To avoid this, I called late on day 2 and asked for FULL on my schedule, which they did. No problem.

Anyone else had similar scenario? How is it handled? I’d much rather handle it prospectively, rather than have to spend 30 minutes on the phone (while trying to drive home at midnight) explaining why they need to take a trip off my schedule.


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They can’t assign you another rotation that flies after your full regardless of when they put it on your schedule. Simply call and have it removed. If the scheduler says no ask for a supervisor.

They could not have forced you to fly the subsequent rotation

When I finished up my trip that made me "full", I did my post-trip reserve schedule check only to see a trip on my line for the next day.

Called the company, explained I was "full", and they dropped the trip after putting me on hold for a couple of minutes. No fuss, no muss. Everyone makes mistakes; they were professional about it.