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Old 08-13-2019, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers View Post
A little touchy?

Is that dreadful 18 day Delta schedule because you are on reserve, or is that actual trips flying?

OBTW....last month I had 0 days of work or on call....No vacation or sick

The month before that I only worked 3 days....No vacation

Life is blissful


I can play your game of just enough information to make this sound like freakin' Utopia.....whereas you like to play the opposite side of the table....it's all about how Delta makes your life suck.

Although, what I stated as my last 2 months is entirely true, it's not the whole story. The diff between you and me is I don't intentionally mislead are or parse the info to try to make a point. You on the other hand.....
Well i can see the hyperbole is hitting new heights. Ill come back when it comes back to earth a little.

Y'all probably got more in common than you think
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter View Post

Serious question: Does it seem odd that we were cheering on the A350 staffing disaster as a great pilot windfall, but the NB GS windfall is bad for pilots?
That does seem a bit capricious doesn't it ?????

Also .....that was tongue in cheek about my 8th GS....One can always dream....I would love to get just 1

And about the hours per trip.....I was assured a few months ago when discussing how our vacation sucks ... guys on here told me that that's what they get for 4 day trips....thought it sounded high on the timee...tried to flesh it out....but you can guess how that went
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Old 08-13-2019, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter View Post

Serious question: Does it seem odd that we were cheering on the A350 staffing disaster as a great pilot windfall, but the NB GS windfall is bad for pilots?
Perhaps I was alone; I wasn't cheering on the $millions enjoyed by a fortunate few. I was lamenting the wasted opportunity for many more 350 captains and first officers, along with the trickle-down movement from which we all could have benefitted.
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Old 08-13-2019, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg View Post
Typical response. Probably more over dramatic “humor.”

Yes, I had benefits.

Were those benefits a free kick in the nuts....Tuesday's AND Thursday's, rain or shine?

If a holiday fell on that Tuesday or Thursday.....did you get a second one.....also for free?

You wanted more Buck humor....so there it is....no extra charge


So....are those 18 days because you are on reserve? I'm sure you didn't come here from your RJ gig without an understanding about the effects of reg/res....senior/junior....new hire/longer than Moses....

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Old 08-13-2019, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers View Post
Not doubting you but, is that normal? Not being from the RJ world but I have a hard time believing that model would survive.

For perspective could you elaborate.

Did you have any benefits?

Are you on your initial plane and position since being hired?

You flew RJ's, worked 10-11 days a month and made____$ ?
Flying for delta and working 14 days a month you make______$ ?

Did you have to resign your seniority number? Maybe it's not too late
When someone points out that airline xyz has a QOL data point that’s superior to ours, it’s inevitable that someone will make the sophomoric suggestion to quit Delta and go there. He’s not implying their contract as a whole is superior, and like it or not, our contract is not so godlike that we can’t look to our peers and see areas of improvement. Even some regionals have data points we can work toward (holiday pay, commuter hotels, etc). We should be able to bring these up and have a rational discussion about QOL issues without the lazy argument that regional xyz is hiring so put your app in.
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Old 08-13-2019, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers View Post
Were those benefits a free kick in the nuts....Tuesday's AND Thursday's, rain or shine?

If a holiday fell on that Tuesday or Thursday.....did you get a second one.....also for free?

You wanted more Buck humor....so there it is....no extra charge


So....are those 18 days because you are on reserve? I'm sure you didn't come here from your RJ gig without an understanding about the effects of reg/res....senior/junior....new hire/longer than Moses....
Again, why does voicing any desire for improvement negate how bad you or others had it?

I understand the system, I understood the system before I came here. I can look at line awards for other pilots and see what they got so I can reference more than just my line.

As for your other post, I never said that Delta is making my life suck, those were your words. It did add that dramatic buck flair to your post though.
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Old 08-13-2019, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg View Post
Typical response. Probably more over dramatic “humor.”

Yes, I had benefits.
Yes, I’m in my first category.
PBS awarded 11 work days on RJ.
So a new hire at your RJ outfit got 11 days awarded on initial PBS award?

That is what you are trying to get me to believe

Where was that since I'd like to fact check it......I'm certain you wouldn't try to mislead anyone
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms View Post
When someone points out that airline xyz has a QOL data point that’s superior to ours, it’s inevitable that someone will make the sophomoric suggestion to quit Delta and go there.
No, the sophomoric premise is that you can take an isolated data point(especially one that appears to be massaged dreadfully) and act like it is not isolated and thus, totally achievable

We are negotiating a whole contract....very few data points are isolated. Most "gets" for one group are paid (or at least no gain)for by another section of the pilot group (straight line % increases in pay is the biggest outlier)

For example the simple proposal of greater DC contribution....sounds easy-peasy right?

Well, if you hit the 415c limit....you don't get PS on that DC excess....thus young guys are happy....old guys are not "just break even", they actually lose money
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Old 08-13-2019, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers View Post
No, the sophomoric premise is that you can take an isolated data point(especially one that appears to be massaged dreadfully) and act like it is not isolated and thus, totally achievable

We are negotiating a whole contract....very few data points are isolated. Most "gets" for one group are paid (or at least no gain)for by another section of the pilot group (straight line % increases in pay is the biggest outlier)

For example the simple proposal of greater DC contribution....sounds easy-peasy right?

Well, if you hit the 415c limit....you don't get PS on that DC excess....thus young guys are happy....old guys are not "just break even", they actually lose money
Im afraid what you're very obviously missing is that contract negotiations arent a zero sum game. I know that's the company position but you're adding value in the form of qol. Its not coming from someone else.

Now during a bankruptcy, which show of hands all of us have been through, i know I have, theres a contraction of the contract and then zero sum choices get made after taking a big hit.
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Old 08-13-2019, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers View Post
So a new hire at your RJ outfit got 11 days awarded on initial PBS award?

That is what you are trying to get me to believe

Where was that since I'd like to fact check it......I'm certain you wouldn't try to mislead anyone
I was like the number 5 of 180 FOs in NYC at Endeavor before I came here. I was mostly on military leave, but I remember my few full schedule months were generally three four day trips, twelve days total. They would credit about 78-80 hours. This was about two years ago.
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