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GliderCFI 08-03-2019 07:40 PM

July load factor at 90%
 
https://simpleflying.com/delta-90-load-factor/

Show me the money. Also, some positive space travel, since standby travel isn't a thing anymore.

But really, unless (untill) we have an operational melt down in 2019, I don't see how PS could be below 19-20%.

bluejuice71 08-03-2019 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by GliderCFI (Post 2864489)
https://simpleflying.com/delta-90-load-factor/

Show me the money. Also, some positive space travel, since standby travel isn't a thing anymore.

But really, unless (untill) we have an operational melt down in 2019, I don't see how PS could be below 19-20%.

Just bought 2 tickets trying to get out of ALB the other day. Flights looked great day before and then weather hit NYC and all hell broke loose. Non revving sucks!

forgot to bid 08-05-2019 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by bluejuice71 (Post 2864496)
Just bought 2 tickets trying to get out of ALB the other day. Flights looked great day before and then weather hit NYC and all hell broke loose. Non revving sucks!

We only buy tickets now

Han Solo 08-12-2019 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2865297)
We only buy tickets now

I S2 nonrevved my family of 4 from ATL-SEA-ATL and we only missed 1 flight, but on the way out we got the last 4 seats and the way back we got 4 of the last 5. I solo S2 nonrevved ATL-DEN-ATL and got a couple middle seats on my 1st try each time, I made it out easily and got the last seat on the way back (when I was pretty sure it was going to be 2+ hours in the 73 JS, so that middle seat felt pretty good.) Nearly every leg I've flown in August has had a cockpit JSer or somebody who thought they'd be riding up front but got a last second ride in the back. It can be done but you definitely need to bring your S2s and flexibility along for the ride.

forgot to bid 08-12-2019 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2868863)
I S2 nonrevved my family of 4 from ATL-SEA-ATL and we only missed 1 flight, but on the way out we got the last 4 seats and the way back we got 4 of the last 5. I solo S2 nonrevved ATL-DEN-ATL and got a couple middle seats on my 1st try each time, I made it out easily and got the last seat on the way back (when I was pretty sure it was going to be 2+ hours in the 73 JS, so that middle seat felt pretty good.) Nearly every leg I've flown in August has had a cockpit JSer or somebody who thought they'd be riding up front but got a last second ride in the back. It can be done but you definitely need to bring your S2s and flexibility along for the ride.

I have a family of five, I just buy tickets.

tunes 08-13-2019 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by GliderCFI (Post 2864489)
https://simpleflying.com/delta-90-load-factor/

Show me the money. Also, some positive space travel, since standby travel isn't a thing anymore.

But really, unless (untill) we have an operational melt down in 2019, I don't see how PS could be below 19-20%.

as much as i'd love that, i'd be very surprised if it's above 16%

Shakinthefat 08-13-2019 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2868863)
It can be done but you definitely need to bring your S2s and flexibility along for the ride.

How about we bargain out of the 6 yearly S2 nonrev worthless passes for 2 PS passes a year that are upgradable. Would the IRS take interest in free tickets?

CoconuTelegraph 08-13-2019 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by Shakinthefat (Post 2869447)
How about we bargain out of the 6 yearly S2 nonrev worthless passes for 2 PS passes a year that are upgradable. Would the IRS take interest in free tickets?

I’m all for 2 PS passes a year over the current nonrev system.

Gspeed 08-13-2019 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by Shakinthefat (Post 2869447)
How about we bargain out of the 6 yearly S2 nonrev worthless passes for 2 PS passes a year that are upgradable. Would the IRS take interest in free tickets?

WTF? Keep the S2's AND give us some PS passes. The S2's still have value and it would be a loss to lose that ability.

tennisguru 08-13-2019 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 2869493)
WTF? Keep the S2's AND give us some PS passes. The S2's still have value and it would be a loss to lose that ability.

Agree, if all the other employee groups keeps their S2 passes then we are shooting ourselves in the foot outside the 1 trip per year we'd be able to take guaranteed.

Crown 08-13-2019 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by GliderCFI (Post 2864489)
But really, unless (untill) we have an operational melt down in 2019, I don't see how PS could be below 19-20%.

wish I could agree, but last year our profit sharing pool was increased from the previous year and we still got less percentage paid out. This year, even though I'm projecting Delta will make 6.5B, I predict 12-13%

OOfff 08-13-2019 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Crown (Post 2869524)
wish I could agree, but last year our profit sharing pool was increased from the previous year and we still got less percentage paid out. This year, even though I'm projecting Delta will make 6.5B, I predict 12-13%

We are significantly ahead of last year without any structural changes to the PS formula, unlike 2018 vs 2017

Falcon20 08-13-2019 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by Crown (Post 2869524)
wish I could agree, but last year our profit sharing pool was increased from the previous year and we still got less percentage paid out. This year, even though I'm projecting Delta will make 6.5B, I predict 12-13%

All eligible employees had higher wages (on whole I know some individuals less). As such if you increased your wages by 4% minimum the PS % will go down even if the $$ earned was more.

Now if there was to be a change to profit sharing the only change I would be in favor of is having the pilot groups calculation made without referencing the noncon’s. For example we historically get about a third of the PS $ pool. So change the formula to be 3.5% on the first $2B and 7% on anything above that. Then if the noncons get a union or management changes their pay structure it doesn’t change anything for us.


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