DL/Virgin Flying
08-20-2019, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by exitrow
A block hour fight is going to look pretty silly when supersonic travel makes a come back in not so distant future.
08-20-2019, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I disagree with you. I don’t think it’s disingenuous of Dalpa. We shouldn’t give a rats *** about Virgin Atlantic’s total flying. We, Dalpa, are only concerned with the JV flying and they have added significantly to it while we have not.
Where their additional JV block hours come from (new planes or shifting equipment) doesn’t really matter. Again, we should only be concerned about JV hours.
Denny
Where their additional JV block hours come from (new planes or shifting equipment) doesn’t really matter. Again, we should only be concerned about JV hours.
Denny
08-20-2019, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There is some truth to what you post however keep in mind that the Heathrow slots used for the additional flying belong to Virgin. We were not going to do any of that flying as we had no additional slots at LHR. We could have taken the slots from Virgin but that would have required downsizing their fleet and furloughing. How would you feel about that if you were a Virgin pilot?
08-20-2019, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You need to look across the entire list. As a example what does a Delta 757 pay verses a UAL757 (and when you can hold it, which is my point). You also need to factor in how much lower are profit sharing would be with UAL’s fleet mix.
08-20-2019, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You need to look across the entire list. As a example what does a Delta 757 pay verses a UAL757. You also need to factor in how much lower are profit sharing would be with UAL’s fleet mix.
You keep bringing up profit sharing and that’s not a wage
It’s a bonus that was negotiated like sick time vacation etc
Management uses that and they don’t want to pay a fair and good hourly wage
Don’t carry their wishes
08-20-2019, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by spaaks
exactly my point, How much lower would your profit sharing check be, vs. how much more money would you be able to make holding a larger, better paying a/c sooner.
DL has much better bottom end domestic, marginally better alliances, better run hubs and is overall better run operationally and by management in some areas. By better I don't mean totally dominant in all areas, just marginally better in some but it adds up. To chalk up the entire profit differential to the fleet mixes is a massive leap.
08-20-2019, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RamenNoodles
This is somewhat disingenuous rhetoric by ALPA.
Yes, Virgin has added capacity across the Atlantic, but what ALPA doesn’t tell you is that VS has grown very little and has simply shifted flying from other markets to North America in support of the JV. The block hours their pilot group operates has been nearly flat since Delta purchased our 49% stake. I have a few contacts that fly over there and we discuss these issues occasionally.
That said, I’m in full support of comprehensive JV scope. I just felt compelled to call out ALPA’s slanted messaging.
Yes, Virgin has added capacity across the Atlantic, but what ALPA doesn’t tell you is that VS has grown very little and has simply shifted flying from other markets to North America in support of the JV. The block hours their pilot group operates has been nearly flat since Delta purchased our 49% stake. I have a few contacts that fly over there and we discuss these issues occasionally.
That said, I’m in full support of comprehensive JV scope. I just felt compelled to call out ALPA’s slanted messaging.
08-20-2019, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by spaaks
exactly my point, How much lower would your profit sharing check be, vs. how much more money would you be able to make holding a larger, better paying a/c sooner.
08-20-2019, 10:46 PM
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed being disingenuous. This has been a common theme with the new Scope Committee. Find a valid complaint then twist the numbers in a disegenious way to generate the most emotional reaction. I'm sure using ASKs wouldn't generate the story they are trying to tell.
Also another big question is how much did Virgin's retirement of the 747 impact block hours vs ASKs?
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Also another big question is how much did Virgin's retirement of the 747 impact block hours vs ASKs?
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