DL/Virgin Flying
08-19-2019, 03:36 PM
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I support our union in our quest to negotiate beneficial scope provisions.
With that said, they keep talking about losing "a JFK-LHR" flight.
Aren't we flying other flights to LHR from other cities in a greater amount than we had?
Does anyone know how many flights we had pre JV to LHR compared to now? And the same for Virgin. I'd like to know.
Seems like the MEC was simply cherry picking that one flight.
With that said, they keep talking about losing "a JFK-LHR" flight.
Aren't we flying other flights to LHR from other cities in a greater amount than we had?
Does anyone know how many flights we had pre JV to LHR compared to now? And the same for Virgin. I'd like to know.
Seems like the MEC was simply cherry picking that one flight.
08-19-2019, 04:11 PM
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Not exactly sure what you're referencing. The DALPA Scope matters page says that since the inception of the Virgin Atlantic JV that our block hours between the U.S. and the U.K. are almost flat while Virgins has grown by 33%.
Delta also owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic, so DAL keeps most of the profits.
This gets addressed in the next TA or I'll vote no.
Scope............
Nothing else matters.
Delta also owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic, so DAL keeps most of the profits.
This gets addressed in the next TA or I'll vote no.
Scope............
Nothing else matters.
08-19-2019, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by The Rover
Not exactly sure what you're referencing. The DALPA Scope matters page says that since the inception of the Virgin Atlantic JV that our block hours between the U.S. and the U.K. are almost flat while Virgins has grown by 33%.
Delta also owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic, so DAL keeps most of the profits.
This gets addressed in the next TA or I'll vote no.
Scope............
Nothing else matters.
Delta also owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic, so DAL keeps most of the profits.
This gets addressed in the next TA or I'll vote no.
Scope............
Nothing else matters.
08-19-2019, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by The Rover
Delta also owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic, so DAL keeps most of the profits.
08-19-2019, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Unfortunately, too many of us are comforted by the profit sharing check they believe captures the "wins" where we're ceding flying. Our individual share of JV partner profits is so diluted by the time that PS becomes take home pay (and 401k contributions), that it's nearly inconsequential. I'd obviously much rather Delta metal be flying more, and hope PS isn't pacifying the masses.
Otherwise it's like listening to stock brokers purposefully try to lose you with yields, percentages, points and curve talks.
08-19-2019, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Easy solution is to quantify how many jobs does it mean? 100 crews?
Otherwise it's like listening to stock brokers purposefully try to lose you with yields, percentages, points and curve talks.
Otherwise it's like listening to stock brokers purposefully try to lose you with yields, percentages, points and curve talks.
08-19-2019, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by The Rover
Not exactly sure what you're referencing. The DALPA Scope matters page says that since the inception of the Virgin Atlantic JV that our block hours between the U.S. and the U.K. are almost flat while Virgins has grown by 33%.
Delta also owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic, so DAL keeps most of the profits.
This gets addressed in the next TA or I'll vote no.
Scope............
Nothing else matters.
Delta also owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic, so DAL keeps most of the profits.
This gets addressed in the next TA or I'll vote no.
Scope............
Nothing else matters.
Why do I keep seeing folks including the MEC using block hours as their measuring stick, when the Virgin scope section in the PWA clearly spells out ASK as the metric....what am I missing?
PWA chart shows the DL min percentage of combined DL/VS twin aisle ASK is between 66 and 69%. Is DL meeting that or not?
My simple brain understands that we as pilot get paid for block flown so we obviously want more hours for us to fly, but if DL is meeting the min percentages mention above, then wouldn't they be in compliance with the PWA regardless if the block hours have remained flat?
08-19-2019, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
New guy here, so bear with me....
Why do I keep seeing folks including the MEC using block hours as their measuring stick, when the Virgin scope section in the PWA clearly spells out ASK as the metric....what am I missing?
PWA chart shows the DL min percentage of combined DL/VS twin aisle ASK is between 66 and 69%. Is DL meeting that or not?
My simple brain understands that we as pilot get paid for block flown so we obviously want more hours for us to fly, but if DL is meeting the min percentages mention above, then wouldn't they be in compliance with the PWA regardless if the block hours have remained flat?
Why do I keep seeing folks including the MEC using block hours as their measuring stick, when the Virgin scope section in the PWA clearly spells out ASK as the metric....what am I missing?
PWA chart shows the DL min percentage of combined DL/VS twin aisle ASK is between 66 and 69%. Is DL meeting that or not?
My simple brain understands that we as pilot get paid for block flown so we obviously want more hours for us to fly, but if DL is meeting the min percentages mention above, then wouldn't they be in compliance with the PWA regardless if the block hours have remained flat?
08-19-2019, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
New guy here, so bear with me....
Why do I keep seeing folks including the MEC using block hours as their measuring stick, when the Virgin scope section in the PWA clearly spells out ASK as the metric....what am I missing?
PWA chart shows the DL min percentage of combined DL/VS twin aisle ASK is between 66 and 69%. Is DL meeting that or not?
My simple brain understands that we as pilot get paid for block flown so we obviously want more hours for us to fly, but if DL is meeting the min percentages mention above, then wouldn't they be in compliance with the PWA regardless if the block hours have remained flat?
Why do I keep seeing folks including the MEC using block hours as their measuring stick, when the Virgin scope section in the PWA clearly spells out ASK as the metric....what am I missing?
PWA chart shows the DL min percentage of combined DL/VS twin aisle ASK is between 66 and 69%. Is DL meeting that or not?
My simple brain understands that we as pilot get paid for block flown so we obviously want more hours for us to fly, but if DL is meeting the min percentages mention above, then wouldn't they be in compliance with the PWA regardless if the block hours have remained flat?
08-19-2019, 08:21 PM
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I have always hated these JV metrics. The overall premise is that our flying will never dip below what it was before the JV was announced. While that sounds fine in the short term, are we really going to rely on these metrics 10-20 years out? Imagine if our present flying was limited to what Delta flew in 1999.
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