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gatorbuc99 09-28-2019 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by PNWProdigal (Post 2894947)
I understand it’s in accordance with the contract, but putting my seat lock back was like kicking someone when they’re down.

That’s what this whole snafu has been about, the system putting the seat locks back on. I would email CR about it, they should take it off. Also let Contract Admin know.

Hillbilly 09-29-2019 04:46 AM


Originally Posted by gatorbuc99 (Post 2894951)
That’s what this whole snafu has been about, the system putting the seat locks back on. I would email CR about it, they should take it off. Also let Contract Admin know.

Agreed, but I don't think that changes anything in this case. It sounds like PNWProdigal had an AE rescinded. While there should be no seat lock, that also does not qualify you for reinstatement rights. He/she didn't get SLC73N B because all of the slots were taken by reinstatements and rightly so under the PWA. A complete bummer for someone trying to get to SLC for sure.

tunes 09-29-2019 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by PNWProdigal (Post 2894947)
I understand it’s in accordance with the contract, but putting my seat lock back was like kicking someone when they’re down.

They should remove your seat lock. IF what Trip7 said is true about the Nov/Dec AE it’s going to create a ton of movement and you should easily be able to get out west.

gatorbuc99 09-29-2019 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by Hillbilly (Post 2895219)
Agreed, but I don't think that changes anything in this case. It sounds like PNWProdigal had an AE rescinded. While there should be no seat lock, that also does not qualify you for reinstatement rights. He/she didn't get SLC73N B because all of the slots were taken by reinstatements and rightly so under the PWA. A complete bummer for someone trying to get to SLC for sure.

I get that, and I agree. I think/thought his gripe is/was that his seat lock was subsequently restored. That's what Icrew did for me, before the award it showed no seat lock and after the {mis]award it showed a seat lock, incorrectly. He couldn't hold SLC73NB but he also shouldn't have a seat lock, and he does...at least that's my understanding.

PNWProdigal 09-29-2019 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by gatorbuc99 (Post 2895300)
I get that, and I agree. I think/thought his gripe is/was that his seat lock was subsequently restored. That's what Icrew did for me, before the award it showed no seat lock and after the {mis]award it showed a seat lock, incorrectly. He couldn't hold SLC73NB but he also shouldn't have a seat lock, and he does...at least that's my understanding.

Correct. My gripe is two fold. Seat lock is back (I’ve emailed CR) and because they displaced on the May AE then added on the September AE, their poor planning is circumventing my seniority.

I understand that what has happened is fully in line with the contract. However, I can hold SLC 73N B. I would not have been subject to the May displacement.

Because they displaced and then added in back to back AEs, my seniority doesn’t mean anything because junior guys fall under reinstatement rules now.

Legal yes, still some shady ****.

Here’s to Nov/Dec I guess.

GivemeVSP 09-29-2019 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by PNWProdigal (Post 2895441)
Correct. My gripe is two fold. Seat lock is back (I’ve emailed CR) and because they displaced on the May AE then added on the September AE, their poor planning is circumventing my seniority.

I understand that what has happened is fully in line with the contract. However, I can hold SLC 73N B. I would not have been subject to the May displacement.

Because they displaced and then added in back to back AEs, my seniority doesn’t mean anything because junior guys fall under reinstatement rules now.

Legal yes, still some shady ****.

Here’s to Nov/Dec I guess.

What did Contract Admin have to say about it?

PNWProdigal 09-29-2019 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by GivemeVSP (Post 2895489)
What did Contract Admin have to say about it?

Waiting to hear back, just started digging into this after I’d heard how much they botched the first run of the AE.

Han Solo 09-30-2019 04:58 AM


Originally Posted by PNWProdigal (Post 2895503)
Waiting to hear back, just started digging into this after I’d heard how much they botched the first run of the AE.

Keep a list of contractual provisions that get under your skin and when your reps are at the crew room answering questions, go in and talk to them about those provisions or just email/phone them. No guarantee they'll get fixed but it's the best path to a possible change.

Stryder 10-06-2019 09:48 AM

How long does it usually take for the training schedule to come out?

FangsF15 10-06-2019 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by Stryder (Post 2899222)
How long does it usually take for the training schedule to come out?

It's a totally manual process, and it usually takes about 2-4 weeks depending on the complexity of the bid / number of training slots needed. With the seat lock goof-up of the -88 bidders and subsequent re-attack delay, I wouldn't expect it early in that timeframe.


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