AE is out on icrew.
#21
Ehhh... wanna lose money on that one, too? Amendable isn't until year end.
#22
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We have TA’d one section of any importance which was crew augmentation (strangely not even discussed or mentioned on the forum). The chances of having a contract vote before next fall are virtually nil.
#23
Do you honestly think the company is going to tell network that their hands are tied until the pilots agree to a contract?
We have TA’d one section of any importance which was crew augmentation (strangely not even discussed or mentioned on the forum). The chances of having a contract vote before next fall are virtually nil.
We have TA’d one section of any importance which was crew augmentation (strangely not even discussed or mentioned on the forum). The chances of having a contract vote before next fall are virtually nil.
However yeah you're right about the timeline of the contract vote.
#24
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They could not bring the 717 online without renegotiating our Delta connection feed agreements. They needed contractual changes to reach new agreements. Vastly different then the current negotiations where no contractual changes are needed for the current fleet and network plan.
#26
I think at FDX, you may not convert for up to 2 years after an award. I'm not sure about UAL. But I agree with you, we give up way too much schedule uncertainty to bid a new aircraft.
#28
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Position: DAL 330
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Exciting indeed.
And unpredictable. Unfortunately, in order to change aircraft you'll remove any and all certainty about being able to attend any or all important functions/anniversaries/weddings/graduations/etc. in the 7-12 months following the unpredictable AE. And you may just watch someone 3,000 numbers your junior pull down a sweet IQ schedule with most weekends off while you work all of them. For significantly less than 5:15/day. On Virginia Ave. In the summer [or the winter...you're not actually sure until you're scheduled].
The one thing you CAN control is just when you put in the 40-60 hours of self study at home to upgrade (for less than 2 days' pay).
Hopefully we will some day see more training schedule control, vacation preservation, better compensation and opportunities to use one's seniority to actually bid on IQ training patterns a la CQ. I'm perplexed why we've allowed the company to control so much of our lives when changing aircraft.
Does anyone know if this is industry standard? It sure doesn't feel like an industry-leading system to me. Only a select few can count on keeping their vacation plans intact, even if...I don't know... the president were to call?
And unpredictable. Unfortunately, in order to change aircraft you'll remove any and all certainty about being able to attend any or all important functions/anniversaries/weddings/graduations/etc. in the 7-12 months following the unpredictable AE. And you may just watch someone 3,000 numbers your junior pull down a sweet IQ schedule with most weekends off while you work all of them. For significantly less than 5:15/day. On Virginia Ave. In the summer [or the winter...you're not actually sure until you're scheduled].
The one thing you CAN control is just when you put in the 40-60 hours of self study at home to upgrade (for less than 2 days' pay).
Hopefully we will some day see more training schedule control, vacation preservation, better compensation and opportunities to use one's seniority to actually bid on IQ training patterns a la CQ. I'm perplexed why we've allowed the company to control so much of our lives when changing aircraft.
Does anyone know if this is industry standard? It sure doesn't feel like an industry-leading system to me. Only a select few can count on keeping their vacation plans intact, even if...I don't know... the president were to call?
I would like to see the 1 year Bid go away totally, but if we do keep it we need some kind of "Golden Days" to protect important events. I think two weeks of renewing contiguous golden days per quarter would allow us to protect these type of events. If your training is delayed becasue of this you forgo potential pay protection. In other words Pilots have a say in what is more important to them - earliest conversion and pay or more scheduling flexibility.
In any case whatever we go for has to have "no exceptions." Currently the company can and will do anything to keep the simulators full including liquidating your vacation that you checked you wanted to keep when submitting your AE. Not much peace of mind there.
Scoop
#29
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: A330 First Officer
Posts: 1,465
Do you honestly think the company is going to tell network that their hands are tied until the pilots agree to a contract?
We have TA’d one section of any importance which was crew augmentation (strangely not even discussed or mentioned on the forum). The chances of having a contract vote before next fall are virtually nil.
We have TA’d one section of any importance which was crew augmentation (strangely not even discussed or mentioned on the forum). The chances of having a contract vote before next fall are virtually nil.
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