RAH Pilots want jumpseat priority
#61
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The issue is that Republic used to have 3 different certificates. Each certificate operated for a specific legacy (if I remember correctly, former AE guy here).
It was easier the filtering of RAH pilots. But we also have Skywest, that also flies for UAL and AA, getting priority because they fly DCI.
It was easier the filtering of RAH pilots. But we also have Skywest, that also flies for UAL and AA, getting priority because they fly DCI.
#62
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Former EDV pilot here, now at AA...I remember this and having to battle AA once we opened up a NYC base too. AA would not give us unlimited JS privileges on their flights back in the day, meaning, if 1 other guy listed and got on via the JS, even if it was a seat in the back, an EDV pilot could not get on the aircraft! It was ridiculous. So we simply returned the favor and only aloud an AA pilot on our metal if he/she was the only one to get on via a JS listing. They changed their policy real quick. AA JS is so backwards compared to the rest of the industry, it has only gotten a little better since the merger, thankfully I live in base(former USAir base) and don't have to sweat this crap on a weekly basis. I agree with the RAH pilots on this one too, a couple of AA god complex pilots are making us look real bad.
I’m sure a lot of American guys are good people but your union isn’t, which invariably is a reflection of the pilot group.
Kind of like TWA...you hooked up the super senior, and stapled the rest. From there you furloughed. We all want our union to represent its constituents first and foremost but there is a point when doing what is right is also a factor. APA didn’t do that...
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#63
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The issue is that Republic used to have 3 different certificates. Each certificate operated for a specific legacy (if I remember correctly, former AE guy here).
It was easier the filtering of RAH pilots. But we also have Skywest, that also flies for UAL and AA, getting priority because they fly DCI.
It was easier the filtering of RAH pilots. But we also have Skywest, that also flies for UAL and AA, getting priority because they fly DCI.
#64
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Former RAHer here. Almost every base they have operates all three codeshares. Unless you actively avoid certain flying there is a pretty good chance you will fly every code share at least every few months.
Then you have reserve guys which could be called to support any flying.
Then you have reserve guys which could be called to support any flying.
#65
Endeavor is a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta.
The only wholly owned subsidiaries of AA are, Piedmont, PSA and Envoy. They do come ahead of DL & UA just like Endeavor does on yours.
RAH is subcontractor, not a wholly owned. They are treated like any other non owned OAL on AA flights. Just like Mesa and Compass.
The only wholly owned subsidiaries of AA are, Piedmont, PSA and Envoy. They do come ahead of DL & UA just like Endeavor does on yours.
RAH is subcontractor, not a wholly owned. They are treated like any other non owned OAL on AA flights. Just like Mesa and Compass.
I RAH pilots should only get priority on the JS if going to/coming from operating for that specific carrier, but my opinion doesn't matter:
AA/DL/UA/RAH have an agreement were their pilots have priority over OAL, AA is the only one not abiding by that policy, RAH/RAHALPA has tried for years to change it and APA/AA have sat back and watched it happen. That APA never informed their pilots this was going on is not on the RAH pilot group. I totally understand that they finally got fed up, and the amount of AA pilots (and you, for some odd reason?) calling them entitled millennials was shocking.
(not at RAH, not a millennial)
#66
Yeah, AA pilots get priority on RAH operating for AA. As soon as they give that up we can talk.
I RAH pilots should only get priority on the JS if going to/coming from operating for that specific carrier, but my opinion doesn't matter:
AA/DL/UA/RAH have an agreement were their pilots have priority over OAL, AA is the only one not abiding by that policy, RAH/RAHALPA has tried for years to change it and APA/AA have sat back and watched it happen. That APA never informed their pilots this was going on is not on the RAH pilot group. I totally understand that they finally got fed up, and the amount of AA pilots (and you, for some odd reason?) calling them entitled millennials was shocking.
(not at RAH, not a millennial)
I RAH pilots should only get priority on the JS if going to/coming from operating for that specific carrier, but my opinion doesn't matter:
AA/DL/UA/RAH have an agreement were their pilots have priority over OAL, AA is the only one not abiding by that policy, RAH/RAHALPA has tried for years to change it and APA/AA have sat back and watched it happen. That APA never informed their pilots this was going on is not on the RAH pilot group. I totally understand that they finally got fed up, and the amount of AA pilots (and you, for some odd reason?) calling them entitled millennials was shocking.
(not at RAH, not a millennial)
#69
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Call me old-fashioned if you will, but I've always believed that some priority relationships and benefits are supposed to be flowing in both directions between supplier and provider, or parent and subsidiary, etc.
The source of these ongoing problems is not Jumpseat Priority. It is rooted in the outsourcing of jobs from mainline to regional. And as long as the legacy majors allow scoped flying to be given away, they will suffer the death of 1,000 cuts.
After 9/11, it was the parent airlines doing the bulk of the furloughing, while the regionals grew larger, flew better and bigger equipment, and paid larger than ever paychecks, with overtime as desired.
Now, years later, we are all just so shocked to find out that those same regionals are flying for everybody. They have job security and the jumpseat on mostly everyone. Hardly their fault.
Honestly, I'm far more shocked by the fact that not one of Republic's affiliations . . . not Delta, not American, not United . . . has yet protested the fact that you all co-owned Republic after its totally unforeseen bankruptcy. LOL
So the next time management tells you that we can't have a small raise or a change in working conditions because of the competition, ask them why the corporate profits that you have earned for the entire airline are spent on a pet project airline that is shared with that same competition. And you think that routes and ticket prices are the only thing that they’ve agreed to manipulate? Total collusion.
Also interesting is that Republic (aka Delta, American, and United management) supposedly scoped out its own stuff, and now those not-so-bright pilots are subsidizing the next lowest scale by starting a flight school with corporate profits. So now every one of us is bleeding money that we earned through a crack to support the pilot directly below us. And with enough advancement momentum, your replacement is 100% ready to walk around you at the picket line and sign up for Boeing/Airbus training. At your expense. You lose money at the top and the next two levels gain.
Yeah, sure, you won’t notice the effects of this during the “pilot shortage,” but just wait until they’ve caught up, or for the next downturn, and it’ll become clear enough.
We spend so much time fighting each other on trivial items that few notice the solidarity of legacy management behind closed doors. It’s divide-and-conquer, and the jumpseat isn’t even on their radar, as American has made clear.
Oh well. Never mind. Watching pilots argue about how to shoot themselves in the foot is one of my favorite things to do at work.
The source of these ongoing problems is not Jumpseat Priority. It is rooted in the outsourcing of jobs from mainline to regional. And as long as the legacy majors allow scoped flying to be given away, they will suffer the death of 1,000 cuts.
After 9/11, it was the parent airlines doing the bulk of the furloughing, while the regionals grew larger, flew better and bigger equipment, and paid larger than ever paychecks, with overtime as desired.
Now, years later, we are all just so shocked to find out that those same regionals are flying for everybody. They have job security and the jumpseat on mostly everyone. Hardly their fault.
Honestly, I'm far more shocked by the fact that not one of Republic's affiliations . . . not Delta, not American, not United . . . has yet protested the fact that you all co-owned Republic after its totally unforeseen bankruptcy. LOL
So the next time management tells you that we can't have a small raise or a change in working conditions because of the competition, ask them why the corporate profits that you have earned for the entire airline are spent on a pet project airline that is shared with that same competition. And you think that routes and ticket prices are the only thing that they’ve agreed to manipulate? Total collusion.
Also interesting is that Republic (aka Delta, American, and United management) supposedly scoped out its own stuff, and now those not-so-bright pilots are subsidizing the next lowest scale by starting a flight school with corporate profits. So now every one of us is bleeding money that we earned through a crack to support the pilot directly below us. And with enough advancement momentum, your replacement is 100% ready to walk around you at the picket line and sign up for Boeing/Airbus training. At your expense. You lose money at the top and the next two levels gain.
Yeah, sure, you won’t notice the effects of this during the “pilot shortage,” but just wait until they’ve caught up, or for the next downturn, and it’ll become clear enough.
We spend so much time fighting each other on trivial items that few notice the solidarity of legacy management behind closed doors. It’s divide-and-conquer, and the jumpseat isn’t even on their radar, as American has made clear.
Oh well. Never mind. Watching pilots argue about how to shoot themselves in the foot is one of my favorite things to do at work.
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