Cujo665

According to RAH,
Unknown to AA pilots, both DL & UA have been giving jumpseat priority to RAH pilots over AA pilots regardless of check in time, on the basis of “special relationship.”

The RAH pilots are now pushing for jumpseat priority over other OAL carriers on AA as well. This means that the current practice of checkin time won’t count. If a RAH guy shows up a DL or UA guy would get bumped from the jumpseat.

The RAH guys say this is exactly how it’s done on DL & UA today for them already. I don’t think the average AA guy knows he’s coming behind a RAH guy regardless of check in time.
Personally, I’d rather see DL & UA stop giving priority to one non owned OAL over another. The alternative would seem to be to tell the DL & UA pilots they have to come after RAH and the half dozen special relationship vendors on AA flights too. Then it will have created a scenario where vendor/contractors always come ahead first on all legacy carriers.

Here’s the debate going on....

Republic Airline Unilateral JS Action

ChecklistMonkey

They do get priority over other non-DCI carriers

DWC CAP10 USAF

Not really a "special relationship", more like its spelled out in the FOM

Endeavor is H-1 priority

Other DCI carriers are H-2

OAL 121 with recip agreements are H-3

It appears their main beef is they don't get priority on a non-RAH American Eagle flights or AA mainline flights....they aer considered an OAL like us and UA, so if we get to gate first, we get the jump.

tunes

I guess I’m not understanding here. Our jumpseat priority goes:
Delta
Endeavor
Non wholly owned Delta connection
OAL

Yours is (correct me if i’m wrong because thats what i’m picking up on from reading)

AA
FCFS

And you want them to give you priority on their metal when you dont give it to them on yours?

Cujo665

Exactly

At DL & UA an AA pilot comes after these OAL contractors

At AA a DL or UA guy is treated fairly by check in time with every non owned OAL

That is not an equitable fair jumpseat reciprocal agreement.

The two possible outcomes are:

1.) DL & UA start treating all non owned OAL the same by check in time, or;

2.)AA would have to start putting RAH and other contractors ahead of DL and UA pilots regardless of check in time.

What’s going on now is not fair to the AA pilots.


Lastly jumpseats are supposed to be a pilot benefit, not a corporate benefit. Giving priority to one non owned over another because that guy may have a 1/3rd chance of flying one of their feed flights, is putting corporate purposes and needs into the mix ahead of pilot needs. It doesn’t belong there.

theUpsideDown

Well i think the corporate benefit is really just making sure a regional pilot later flying mainline passengers around wont need a pos space ticket. And a mainline pilot can benefit from mainline corporate entity paying their bills and assigning them work so you have some higher priority than the guy who doesnt pay the bills.

Personally I think the DL and UA agreements are smarter, this first come first serve thing is five years new? Just switch it back to industry standard and give ur contractors a hug. Itll pay off later i promise.

ChecklistMonkey

This. I fully support a contract carrier getting priority over AA and UA. Sorry man. Your system is the only one that is backwards.

Cujo665

No, the current policy at DL & UA is not fair to the AA pilots who are NOT putting corporate desire ahead of pilot needs.

You’re argument is that a guy who flys only for AA because he’s based at an all AA flying base for a contractor should come ahead of an AA mainline guy on a DL & UA flight.......

And another RAH guy that flys only from a base doing UA flights should still come ahead of an AA mainline guy on a DL flight regardless of check in time.

Cujo665

Yea, treating all OAL fairly and equally on a supposedly reciprocal jumpseat agreement is completely correct.

theUpsideDown

So if republic stopped flying for American, youre fine with your current setup then? If its a vote im not changing Deltas deal with edv (which helps me get in front of all OAL not just AA) that makes my commute easy.

AA likes their deal then let them keep it. I think its safe to say UA and DL are happy with our arrangement.