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#371
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Well ok, with the engine position shifted for additional ground clearance the aircraft has undesirable handling characteristics in some high AOA and aft CG situations. A AD has been issued restricting the operating CG of the aircraft. Airbus is working on a software fix to the ELAC computers expected out 3Q of 2020.
Last edited by sailingfun; 10-21-2019 at 03:28 AM.
#372
Well ok, with the engine position shifted for additional ground clearance the aircraft has undesirable handling characteristics in some high AOA and aft CG situations. A AD has been issued restricting the operating CG of the aircraft. Airbus is working on a software fix to the ELAC computers expected out 3Q of 2020.
Sorry about my language Sailing. Not called for by me and I'm sorry.
Now, the issue came from testing, not from the line. Here is what Airbus said of it:
"The issue is an A321neo landing configuration at extreme aft CG conditions and below 100ft only issue, discovered by Airbus and reported to AESA. Violent maneuvers in for instance a go-around in these conditions can cause a pitch up which the pilots can counteract using their side-sticks. No FBW nose downs or similar is commanded, it’s just the FBW doesn’t neutralize the pitch-up (like FBW using the Airbus style flight laws are supposed to do), the pilots have to do it. Airbus has assisted AESA in issuing the AD which restricts the aft CG used in operational landings until the ELAC software is updated."
I think the CG was around 37, I've never seen a CEO go beyond 33. So extreme CG, in landing, be quickly decelerating and then I believe they're saying a hard pitch up by the crew, it didn't act like an Airbus. Pilots do not lose control and the computer doesn't override them.
It is FBW 100% of the time, whatever they want to reprogram the jet to do they can. I mean it's a jet that can have both ailerons up at the same time in flight.
In comparison, MCAS is a crime.
They're not remotely the same and it's not delaying the 321.
#373
As to the 321Neos for Delta.
Remember the fleet is going to be about 220 jets, may be as large as 350.
The 321N may literally be delayed by carpet.
The removal of the 2L/2R door, however, is a big deal for Delta and a lot of airlines because we will now be able to do the Delta One configuration they want to do to replace the Delta One 757s. There will be 8 or so configured that way, no economy seats just Delta One, premium or first, and economy comfort. I think.
They are talking up the LR/XLR with a fuel tank in the tail. The max range of the 321XLR I believe is 4700nm.
The plan seems to be all west coast bases to Hawaii (SLC/SEA/LAX).
The engines do drop fuel burn 20%, noise 50-80%, it will carry more passengers and somehow land at a lower weight?
FWIW, on the CEO I do a lot of ATL-west coast and it has no problem cruising up into the mid 30s initially and hanging out around 79 the whole way. The only time I've ever topped the tanks was a fully loaded 321 going ATL-SAN and our planned fuel load on landing was around 14k lbs, instead of a normal 6-8k lbs and reserve is typically about 4.5 fwiw.
BTW, the cabin configuration is called Airbus Cabin Flex (ACF). This is a British Airways one, note the overwing exit. It has a slide behind the wing, plus the door 3 slides (actually angle backwards somewhat) and door 4 slides. Busy back end during an evacuation but it keeps people away from engines.
Remember the fleet is going to be about 220 jets, may be as large as 350.
The 321N may literally be delayed by carpet.
The removal of the 2L/2R door, however, is a big deal for Delta and a lot of airlines because we will now be able to do the Delta One configuration they want to do to replace the Delta One 757s. There will be 8 or so configured that way, no economy seats just Delta One, premium or first, and economy comfort. I think.
They are talking up the LR/XLR with a fuel tank in the tail. The max range of the 321XLR I believe is 4700nm.
The plan seems to be all west coast bases to Hawaii (SLC/SEA/LAX).
The engines do drop fuel burn 20%, noise 50-80%, it will carry more passengers and somehow land at a lower weight?
FWIW, on the CEO I do a lot of ATL-west coast and it has no problem cruising up into the mid 30s initially and hanging out around 79 the whole way. The only time I've ever topped the tanks was a fully loaded 321 going ATL-SAN and our planned fuel load on landing was around 14k lbs, instead of a normal 6-8k lbs and reserve is typically about 4.5 fwiw.
BTW, the cabin configuration is called Airbus Cabin Flex (ACF). This is a British Airways one, note the overwing exit. It has a slide behind the wing, plus the door 3 slides (actually angle backwards somewhat) and door 4 slides. Busy back end during an evacuation but it keeps people away from engines.
#374
So, for any of you with contacts to “top men”, has anyone heard if the Nov/Dec AE will come out towards the beginning or end of the Nov/Dec time frame? I know we aren’t even in November yet, and the 5 year plan changes every 3 weeks, but this one big AE every year is the only chance we get to see any substantial movement, annually.
I’m looking forward to seeing how much room at the top this one has.
I’m looking forward to seeing how much room at the top this one has.
#375
So, for any of you with contacts to “top men”, has anyone heard if the Nov/Dec AE will come out towards the beginning or end of the Nov/Dec time frame? I know we aren’t even in November yet, and the 5 year plan changes every 3 weeks, but this one big AE every year is the only chance we get to see any substantial movement, annually.
I’m looking forward to seeing how much room at the top this one has.
I’m looking forward to seeing how much room at the top this one has.
#377
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So, for any of you with contacts to “top men”, has anyone heard if the Nov/Dec AE will come out towards the beginning or end of the Nov/Dec time frame? I know we aren’t even in November yet, and the 5 year plan changes every 3 weeks, but this one big AE every year is the only chance we get to see any substantial movement, annually.
I’m looking forward to seeing how much room at the top this one has.
I’m looking forward to seeing how much room at the top this one has.
#378
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Hoping for any position
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