Green Slips vs Hiring
10-10-2019, 05:25 PM
#11
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GSs definitely reduce your ability to Drop manipulate your schedule after the first PCS run. On the other hand as a very Junior Capt two summers ago and at around 65% this summer I was able to get over 30 days off in a row over July to August both years.
Our vacation value lags the industry for sure but our flexibility with IVDs, APDs, vacation slide, move ups and the swap board is pretty good.
Oh yeah, I totally miss the GS fest every summer but it's worth it.
Scoop
Our vacation value lags the industry for sure but our flexibility with IVDs, APDs, vacation slide, move ups and the swap board is pretty good.
Oh yeah, I totally miss the GS fest every summer but it's worth it.
Scoop
10-10-2019, 05:27 PM
#13
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When we are so short that GS ramp up you definitely lose a lot of your ability to drop and manipulate your schedule after the first PCS run. On the other hand as a very Junior Capt two summers ago and at around 65% this summer I was able to get over 30 days off in a row over July to August both years.
Our vacation value lags the industry for sure, but our flexibility with IVDs, APDs, vacation slide, move ups and the swap board is pretty good.
Oh yeah, I totally miss the GS fest every summer but it's worth it.
Scoop
Our vacation value lags the industry for sure, but our flexibility with IVDs, APDs, vacation slide, move ups and the swap board is pretty good.
Oh yeah, I totally miss the GS fest every summer but it's worth it.
Scoop
10-10-2019, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Save your breath. Neither side of this debate listens to the other. It would be funny if it... weren't?
10-11-2019, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
It doesn’t matter if either side listens or not...we, as pilots, have no control over staffing, beyond the numbers in our contract. I was frustrated this summer too. I would love to be able to move trips around and have some flexibility with my schedule. But the 4th floor is going to do what they think is best/most profitable, and they don’t call DALPA or any of us for permission.
10-11-2019, 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Vincent Chase
This is true. Im not usually a GS prostitute, but I know many who are. And good on them. I harbor no animous. As they say, "don't hate the player, hate the game." I know I was able to drop a trip or two this summer due to blue reserve numbers, but holy cow! Paying 40,000 GS seems like it would be cheaper to staff a little better. I could be wrong. My elevator never reaches the 4th floor.
10-11-2019, 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The problem is they would need to carry a surplus all the time to avoid a situation like this summer. No one was planning on 400 parked 737’s.
10-11-2019, 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Does FedEx carry a surplus outside of Peak?
Secondary screams would come at PS payouts!
10-11-2019, 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Vincent Chase
This is true. Im not usually a GS prostitute, but I know many who are. And good on them. I harbor no animous. As they say, "don't hate the player, hate the game." I know I was able to drop a trip or two this summer due to blue reserve numbers, but holy cow! Paying 40,000 GS seems like it would be cheaper to staff a little better. I could be wrong. My elevator never reaches the 4th floor.
10-11-2019, 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
... I mean, sorta, and then they retire early. Early retirements and GS's are a little more tied together than anyone thought. You're gonna lose more people than you planned by a lot you keep handing out double bucks. My old man did the same thing, he had a number in his head, when he hit that number he punched out.
I think this is a pendulum, it swings this way a little bit, in 3 yrs no one will know what a GS is or how to get into arcos. At least I hope I'm right... Otherwise, jeesh
I think this is a pendulum, it swings this way a little bit, in 3 yrs no one will know what a GS is or how to get into arcos. At least I hope I'm right... Otherwise, jeesh
Our pilot group has spoken through actions. We will fight over any and every green slip. QOL is not important to the majority, only money.
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