Funk

Shhhhh! You’re going to get us in trouble!

Gooner

ADG optimizer already has shown that 3-5 day trips are the preferred way to make trips cheaper. By incentivizing, partially, shorter trips some of the legs that make longer trips uncommutable would help reduce that issue.

It isn’t necessarily a fool proof plan but like I said an intriguing way to potentially combat the optimizer.

I also don’t understand the push back with some of the ideas thrown out, the first threat is always “it’ll make everything not commutable” the optimizer has already done a pretty good job of doing just that. Unfortunately there is not a lot of incentive to build commutable trips to begin with, hence the difficulty.

gloopy

I'd be in favor of that.

gloopy

The real issue isn't the occasional hotel or pad, its the insane double non commutable nonsense that's gotten so horrendous that even in base pilots are getting hammered. Burning the candle at both ends as a permamant stratedgy of bonus mongering for a few mid level seagull types with everything reporting early and releasing late is devastating to QOL, commuter or not.

lavService

I would like to add to this. I've called 4 times this year requesting positive space due to thunderstorms and snowstorms. Everytime but one they have granted me positive space. The one denial was because I was trying to be proactive and called the night before, it was before the IROP was official. I said you guys don't care if I get to work so I'll sow up for the later jumpseat. I showed up and the flight was delayed. I called and got positive space on the now delayed earlier flight. I've never heard of anyone in NY getting pushback for using the policy. It's one of the benefits of being based there.

waldo135

NYC 320A commutability jumped from 7% to a staggering 11% in December bid package. As a result of this windfall, 1 and 2 day trips increased to 62%. There are more 1-day trips than anything else. For a base and category that is overwhelmingly commuters... I have to wonder if there isn’t some malice here.

marcal

Hey! I know at least 5-10 local(myself included) that love those turns! It’s all about us! JK in all honesty these wild swings in trip mix aren’t good for anyone. And commutability still a major issue.

Also, in BSs crew resources video he mentioned all 320 FDPs that touch NYC will now have max 2 legs. That could have a major reason for the swing.

Farmlover

I wish dtw 73 would get some day trips.
We get almost zero

Dorfman

Not true. I invoked the FOM policy 4 times last winter. Never heard from CPO. They want you to get to work.

gloopy

Its absolutely by design. The nonsense lie that "New Yorkers like to leave early and get back late!" as a reason for abysmal, QOL shredding pairing construction is a flat out lie. There's departures and arrivals by the minute so that myth is completely debunked except for a very few markets that are mainline first and last and RJ's in between. But even those are overshadowed by constant mainline arrivals and departures regularly in like equipment.

All domestic is going that way because it maximises your footprint at work for RR's and defacto standby hot reserve status for the same credit time. Rarely it may trigger trip credit but usually doesn't, and even when it does its still worth it to have free ready room reserve RR fodder everywhere all the time.

It also makes you tired over time and reduces your time at home, commuter or not. And please tell us how the fake local 3+ hour drive commuters aren't effected by their 2AM wakeups because they totally got 8 hours of REM.

This kind of pairing construction has been a long work in progress to make pennies at any cost and pilot QOL isn't even a concern.