Senior Leadership: Outsourcing is Cheaper
#91
Yet we continually talk/negotiate payrates based on aircraft size. Again... Laughable..... And PS is a bonus. It is not additional pay to make up for anything.
So... since you are hell bent to turn this thread into that one, I'll ask you here too. Do you realistically think we can/will sign a contract with zero on the company's side of the ledger?
So... since you are hell bent to turn this thread into that one, I'll ask you here too. Do you realistically think we can/will sign a contract with zero on the company's side of the ledger?
#92
I'll stick to the other thread but yes because I don't see anything of value they would want that I'm willing to let go. During these times of prosperity we need to add to the contract because when the down turn comes, you deal makers will want to throw in the kitchen sink. That MAY be an appropriate time to exchange, this is not.
#93
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I think they are clear what they want. Ed has announced it to shareholders. A reduction in costs. That means more with less. To us, productivity. Top end scope is another area I see an ask from the company.
Where they ask for the productivity gains will be interesting to see and how much we ask to give some productivity. Scope I hope we hold firm on.
Where they ask for the productivity gains will be interesting to see and how much we ask to give some productivity. Scope I hope we hold firm on.
#94
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#95
I think they are clear what they want. Ed has announced it to shareholders. A reduction in costs. That means more with less. To us, productivity. Top end scope is another area I see an ask from the company.
Where they ask for the productivity gains will be interesting to see and how much we ask to give some productivity. Scope I hope we hold firm on.
Where they ask for the productivity gains will be interesting to see and how much we ask to give some productivity. Scope I hope we hold firm on.
#96
This IS gonna be good. I for one can’t do anything more. Unless maybe it’s an IA where I get paid double without regard to a trigger. Oh, we already have that solution, my bad. What else can we give?
#97
We're talking about productivity. I'm not sure honestly what more they could get to make us more productive. Certainly not anything that will affect my current lot.
#98
Productivity is a misnomer. They want to pay less for additional work. We already have a mechanism that works well for incentivizing additional work. This past summer allowed for individuals to value their time as they decided. We had enough people volunteer and we somehow made it work. This is the template. I can’t think of a “productivity” give that will be acceptable to the pilot group but I will wait for some responses.
#99
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Productivity is a misnomer. They want to pay less for additional work. We already have a mechanism that works well for incentivizing additional work. This past summer allowed for individuals to value their time as they decided. We had enough people volunteer and we somehow made it work. This is the template. I can’t think of a “productivity” give that will be acceptable to the pilot group but I will wait for some responses.
I do agree. There isn’t much left to give in the way of credit and layover. But I’m only at 1 hour of credit for the entire month of Nov so not much to give there. I guess we could fly to FAR max each day but then we would be timing out 20 days into a month.
Don’t underestimate the ability for some bean counter to come up with creative ways to squeeze that last ounce out.
#100
Productivity is a misnomer. They want to pay less for additional work. We already have a mechanism that works well for incentivizing additional work. This past summer allowed for individuals to value their time as they decided. We had enough people volunteer and we somehow made it work. This is the template. I can’t think of a “productivity” give that will be acceptable to the pilot group but I will wait for some responses.
How is it conceivable that we could be more 'productive'?
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