Noop Question
03-23-2020, 07:13 AM
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Noop Question
I had my trip I was supposed to start today cancel and noop. I got the notification and acknowledged. When I go into my time card the entire trip is gone and the hours are gone from my pay as well. Is this something they will add back in a day or two? (I assume we are still pay protected with noop). Also, with the 23K recovery obligation can I pick up a green slip if offered and does that meet the criteria for recovery obligation?
03-23-2020, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by butterwm
I had my trip I was supposed to start today cancel and noop. I got the notification and acknowledged. When I go into my time card the entire trip is gone and the hours are gone from my pay as well. Is this something they will add back in a day or two? (I assume we are still pay protected with noop). Also, with the 23K recovery obligation can I pick up a green slip if offered and does that meet the criteria for recovery obligation?
03-23-2020, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by butterwm
I had my trip I was supposed to start today cancel and noop. I got the notification and acknowledged. When I go into my time card the entire trip is gone and the hours are gone from my pay as well. Is this something they will add back in a day or two? (I assume we are still pay protected with noop). Also, with the 23K recovery obligation can I pick up a green slip if offered and does that meet the criteria for recovery obligation?
03-23-2020, 11:14 AM
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So now I am trying to figure out if this is a legal 23k recovery assignment. Original trip:
Day 1: ATL-ECP
Day 2: ECP-ATL, ATL-TUL
Day 3: 30 Hour Layover
Day 4: TUL-ATL, ATL-RIC, RIC-ATL
After they noop’d the trip, they put it back into open time as follows:
Day 1: ATL-MKE, MKE-ATL, ATL-TUL
Day 2: 30 Hour Layover
Day 3: TUL-ATL, ATL-RIC, RIC-ATL
Esentinally it is the same trip from day 2 on except they added flying to it with the MKE turn. I know it isn’t legal to reroute someone before a trip starts by adding flying. However, after they noop’d the trip they assigned it back to me as recovery flying. Does that pass the sanity check or is that a creative way of doing what they are not allowed to do?
Day 1: ATL-ECP
Day 2: ECP-ATL, ATL-TUL
Day 3: 30 Hour Layover
Day 4: TUL-ATL, ATL-RIC, RIC-ATL
After they noop’d the trip, they put it back into open time as follows:
Day 1: ATL-MKE, MKE-ATL, ATL-TUL
Day 2: 30 Hour Layover
Day 3: TUL-ATL, ATL-RIC, RIC-ATL
Esentinally it is the same trip from day 2 on except they added flying to it with the MKE turn. I know it isn’t legal to reroute someone before a trip starts by adding flying. However, after they noop’d the trip they assigned it back to me as recovery flying. Does that pass the sanity check or is that a creative way of doing what they are not allowed to do?
03-23-2020, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by butterwm
So now I am trying to figure out if this is a legal 23k recovery assignment. Original trip:
Day 1: ATL-ECP
Day 2: ECP-ATL, ATL-TUL
Day 3: 30 Hour Layover
Day 4: TUL-ATL, ATL-RIC, RIC-ATL
After they noop’d the trip, they put it back into open time as follows:
Day 1: ATL-MKE, MKE-ATL, ATL-TUL
Day 2: 30 Hour Layover
Day 3: TUL-ATL, ATL-RIC, RIC-ATL
Esentinally it is the same trip from day 2 on except they added flying to it with the MKE turn. I know it isn’t legal to reroute someone before a trip starts by adding flying. However, after they noop’d the trip they assigned it back to me as recovery flying. Does that pass the sanity check or is that a creative way of doing what they are not allowed to do?
Day 1: ATL-ECP
Day 2: ECP-ATL, ATL-TUL
Day 3: 30 Hour Layover
Day 4: TUL-ATL, ATL-RIC, RIC-ATL
After they noop’d the trip, they put it back into open time as follows:
Day 1: ATL-MKE, MKE-ATL, ATL-TUL
Day 2: 30 Hour Layover
Day 3: TUL-ATL, ATL-RIC, RIC-ATL
Esentinally it is the same trip from day 2 on except they added flying to it with the MKE turn. I know it isn’t legal to reroute someone before a trip starts by adding flying. However, after they noop’d the trip they assigned it back to me as recovery flying. Does that pass the sanity check or is that a creative way of doing what they are not allowed to do?
03-23-2020, 11:28 AM
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I guess I am trying to understand why they cancelled the trip to begin with if days 2-4 were still in tact. It feels like they cancelled the trip to add on flying and then turned around and reassigned it right back to me. Shouldn’t the trip have been kept in tact versus noop’d and the MKE turn covered by a separate white or green slip?
03-23-2020, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by butterwm
I guess I am trying to understand why they cancelled the trip to begin with if days 2-4 were still in tact. It feels like they cancelled the trip to add on flying and then turned around and reassigned it right back to me. Shouldn’t the trip have been kept in tact versus noop’d and the MKE turn covered by a separate white or green slip?
03-23-2020, 12:29 PM
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Does 23k recovery flying get assigned based on seniority? I'm talking about just the pilots on possible 23k recovery, and if so, how is that tracked to verify it is done correctly?
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