23K/Recovery Questions Thread
12-18-2020, 09:17 AM
#581
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
There's some inaccurate info here. You are only subject to "immediately available" if the trip cancels AFTER you report. This has happened to me on a one day maintenance ferry I picked up on a WS. I signed in, THEN maintenance decided the plane wouldn't be ready until the next day (my thoughts were "gee thanks for waiting until now to decide that, now I get to hang out here at the airport for six hours instead of at home").
Again, this only applies if the trip cancels AFTER you report. This doesn't usually happen with "normal" trips, but of course it can. And yes if you are subject to immediately available obligations, then you need to be a "Widgeteer" in uniform, at the airport.... because the contract says so. But then again you probably already are, since you have already signed in. Now you just get to hang out for a few hours for possible reassignment.
This is not the same as "promptly available" which come with the equivalence of short call obligations. If you live local you can sit SC at the house. But in this case (the whole point of this entire thread due to all the Covid cancelations) you would know about the trip removal and 23K obligations in advance.
Again, this only applies if the trip cancels AFTER you report. This doesn't usually happen with "normal" trips, but of course it can. And yes if you are subject to immediately available obligations, then you need to be a "Widgeteer" in uniform, at the airport.... because the contract says so. But then again you probably already are, since you have already signed in. Now you just get to hang out for a few hours for possible reassignment.
This is not the same as "promptly available" which come with the equivalence of short call obligations. If you live local you can sit SC at the house. But in this case (the whole point of this entire thread due to all the Covid cancelations) you would know about the trip removal and 23K obligations in advance.
Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
You can put the GS in, but I believe you aren't eligible until you are released from the 23k obligation.
Thanks, that’s what I figured. I’ll show up and see what happens tomorrow.
12-19-2020, 12:46 AM
#582
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
There's some inaccurate info here. You are only subject to "immediately available" if the trip cancels AFTER you report. This has happened to me on a one day maintenance ferry I picked up on a WS. I signed in, THEN maintenance decided the plane wouldn't be ready until the next day (my thoughts were "gee thanks for waiting until now to decide that, now I get to hang out here at the airport for six hours instead of at home").
Again, this only applies if the trip cancels AFTER you report. This doesn't usually happen with "normal" trips, but of course it can. And yes if you are subject to immediately available obligations, then you need to be a "Widgeteer" in uniform, at the airport.... because the contract says so. But then again you probably already are, since you have already signed in. Now you just get to hang out for a few hours for possible reassignment.
This is not the same as "promptly available" which come with the equivalence of short call obligations. If you live local you can sit SC at the house. But in this case (the whole point of this entire thread due to all the Covid cancelations) you would know about the trip removal and 23K obligations in advance.
Again, this only applies if the trip cancels AFTER you report. This doesn't usually happen with "normal" trips, but of course it can. And yes if you are subject to immediately available obligations, then you need to be a "Widgeteer" in uniform, at the airport.... because the contract says so. But then again you probably already are, since you have already signed in. Now you just get to hang out for a few hours for possible reassignment.
This is not the same as "promptly available" which come with the equivalence of short call obligations. If you live local you can sit SC at the house. But in this case (the whole point of this entire thread due to all the Covid cancelations) you would know about the trip removal and 23K obligations in advance.
Denny
12-19-2020, 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
If I have a recovery obligation tomorrow starting at 1500, for a 4 day trip, if I put in a GS, can I get one and get paid for it? Or do I have to finish my 6 hours of availability first, and then try to get one?
In simple terms, you will need a required rest period after sitting your 23k obligation. At least that what happened to me.
Denny
12-19-2020, 06:30 AM
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Got an early call from Crew Scheduling at 6am notifying me two of my January trips are 23K’d.
They were both 5 days, so I’ll save 4 days by flying 3 days, ad fly them not on the weekend.
My point is, why is this kinda thing still happening? Honest question.
They were both 5 days, so I’ll save 4 days by flying 3 days, ad fly them not on the weekend.
My point is, why is this kinda thing still happening? Honest question.
12-19-2020, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaww
Got an early call from Crew Scheduling at 6am notifying me two of my January trips are 23K’d.
They were both 5 days, so I’ll save 4 days by flying 3 days, ad fly them not on the weekend.
My point is, why is this kinda thing still happening? Honest question.
They were both 5 days, so I’ll save 4 days by flying 3 days, ad fly them not on the weekend.
My point is, why is this kinda thing still happening? Honest question.
I wanted to confirm. I can pick up 2 trips of recovery flying for ANY TIME during the bid period (at least 3 day trips) and it satisfies my 23k obligations? I thought the trips had to be somewhere in the original footprint of the trip??
12-19-2020, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MJP27
Same just happened to me. I had two 5 day trips NOOP'd and have vacation. I have no schedule right now except recovery flying.
I wanted to confirm. I can pick up 2 trips of recovery flying for ANY TIME during the bid period (at least 3 day trips) and it satisfies my 23k obligations? I thought the trips had to be somewhere in the original footprint of the trip??
I wanted to confirm. I can pick up 2 trips of recovery flying for ANY TIME during the bid period (at least 3 day trips) and it satisfies my 23k obligations? I thought the trips had to be somewhere in the original footprint of the trip??
12-19-2020, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MJP27
Same just happened to me. I had two 5 day trips NOOP'd and have vacation. I have no schedule right now except recovery flying.
I wanted to confirm. I can pick up 2 trips of recovery flying for ANY TIME during the bid period (at least 3 day trips) and it satisfies my 23k obligations? I thought the trips had to be somewhere in the original footprint of the trip??
I wanted to confirm. I can pick up 2 trips of recovery flying for ANY TIME during the bid period (at least 3 day trips) and it satisfies my 23k obligations? I thought the trips had to be somewhere in the original footprint of the trip??
12-19-2020, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
Yes, it can be any time during the bid period. Just to be technical, any recovery slip award must be for at least 50% of the original trip's credit.
12-19-2020, 09:51 AM
#590
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Originally Posted by MJP27
ok. So do I designate which 23k trip I am putting a recovery slip on for? Or if I have 2 NOOP'd 5 days, I just pick up two 3 day trips (assuming 50% credit) ?
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