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Scoop 03-26-2020 05:13 AM

23K/Recovery Questions Thread
 
I have renamed this thread to make it a one stop shopping for 23K/Recovery/Reroute type questions. Thanks for all the responses - We will also pin this thread for the time being.

I have a trip tonight starting with a red-eye that has been cancelled. Can someone please explain the new 23K policy to me and type very slowly. ;) If I understand it correctly (which I probably don't) I am basically on long call and will be given a 12 hour heads up for any assignment. Is this correct?

As a commuter can they assign me another trip last minute in which case I will need to commute in?

Day 2 is a DH only so that's not needed. I guess if Day three goes and I have not been assigned something else I can DV8 on Day 2 to be in potion on Day 3.

Thanks Scoop

hockeypilot44 03-26-2020 05:15 AM

Let us know what happens. I think by the end of April, we are all going to be well-versed in how 23k works.

sailingfun 03-26-2020 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 3012245)
I have a trip tonight starting with a red-eye that has been cancelled. Can someone please explain the new 23K policy to me and type very slowly. ;) If I understand it correctly (which I probably don't) I am basically on long call and will be given a 12 hour heads up for any assignment. Is this correct?

As a commuter can they assign me another trip last minute in which case I will need to commute in?

Day 2 is a DH only so that's not needed. I guess if Day three goes and I have not been assigned something else I can DV8 on Day 2 to be in potion on Day 3.

Thanks Scoop

If the rotation is not cancelled I don’t believe you have any obligation.

53x11 03-26-2020 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3012261)
If the rotation is not cancelled I don’t believe you have any obligation.

Agree. Rotation has to be cx’d

Abouttime2fish 03-26-2020 05:31 AM

Good luck. Company hasn’t been following g rules or at all consistent in what they do. If they cancel first leg, supposed to NOOP the rotation and put you in 23k. I’ve got a trip today they did that. But my trip on the 20th? Nope. Just kept me on the hook for day 2 after cancelling all of day 1 and first half of day 2.

dc10guy 03-26-2020 05:37 AM

I have a 1 day on the 28th that both leg cancelled. Still on my line. What is my obligation? It has not been NOOP. Trying to plan commute

sailingfun 03-26-2020 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish (Post 3012294)
Good luck. Company hasn’t been following g rules or at all consistent in what they do. If they cancel first leg, supposed to NOOP the rotation and put you in 23k. I’ve got a trip today they did that. But my trip on the 20th? Nope. Just kept me on the hook for day 2 after cancelling all of day 1 and first half of day 2.

There is no requirement for the company to cancel a rotation because the first leg or day cancels. In fact the contract specifically allows the company to deadhead you to pick up the remainder of the rotation.

PapaMike 03-26-2020 06:23 AM

My understanding:

First leg cancels and you are on the hook for reassignment up until original report time +6 hours (no change to current contract)

Any reassignment during that 6 hour window will come with no less than 12 hours to the new report time (as opposed to "promptly available")

So, there is no obligation of the company to do anything to your cancelled first day until as late as original report time +6 hours and they must have you back within your original footprint +4 hours.

sailingfun 03-26-2020 06:31 AM

Note the first line in the 23K section. Everything else is contingent on that.

1. A regular pilot who is removed from a rotation due to IROPS affecting his rotation

53x11 03-26-2020 06:42 AM

Per the definition of IROP, the only way possible I see him having 23K obligation is if his cx was due to another cx. Am I reading that right?


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