NFLY status re disease or immuno
 

Be advised the company is pushing back very hard against this. My doctor has advised that serious illness or death is a possibility if I were to become infected. Delta airlines has rejected my doctors strongly worded letter because of no specific end date. Who knows what an appropriate end date is? I have to go back and waste my already busy doctors time to have this remedied. Is there no end to their hatred of pilots?

In all fairness, it is WITH pay. I’ll jump through a few hoops to get WITH pay. Can’t blame them too much. Without pay and I’d be upset.

If it truly is life threatening then take a PLOA, I’m guessing those are getting auto approved at the moment.

or call out sick. Didn’t they waive the 100 hr look back requirement?

Don't need to do a PLOA. This is a negotiated deal between the union and the company and it has turned into a war

says the guy who probably voted for sick leave verification…

Here is what I read in the LOA:

• Any pilot who is diagnosed with COVID-19
• A pilot who is required to quarantine by any official agency
• A pilot who self-quarantines as a result of known exposure with a member of their immediate household who is or has subsequently been diagnosed with COVID

With all due respect a note from your Dr saying you might die or get seriously sick doesn’t seem like it fits into any of those three. That literally could apply to any human on the planet.

I really hope you get what you are asking for but I wouldn’t describe your situation as a war on pilots.

Not sure if this is true or not, but check your time card if you call out sick. Heard some time cards only showing paying block time and not credit time on a sick call trip. In other words no pay for dead heads or other credit. So if you have a 3 day that you would have flown only 4 hours Block but the rest is credit.,,.you get paid 4 hrs sick leave and not the usual 15.45. I can’t confirm if this is true or just a rumor. Perhaps it’s scheduling not caught up on the pay thing with all the sick calls.

bullet point number two… A pilot who is directed by a healthcare professional to quarantine…. You are missing the first part of the LOA That is my situation. This is a big deal for people on certain medications… normal circumstances, no problem.

Will do, thank you

Here is what the ALPA FAQ says:Q: Does the new LOA provide pay protection for pilots who are non-symptomatic but subject to a government-mandated quarantine?

A: Yes. Under the LOA #20-01 – COVID-19, all pilots subject to a medical or government-mandated quarantine will be pay protected without having to use their sick time.

So I’m guessing your Dr is telling you to self quarantine? If so, I can see how that would fit the definition but I would think it would have to be mandated (can they even do that?) and come with some sort of end date. And obviously you would have to do a no kidding quarantine.

I believe the section of LOA 20-01 you are referring to is paragraph 1. Very first sentence.

Any pilot who is non-symptomatic, but who is directed by any Company, medical, or government personnel, or any governmental or legal order, to receive medical evaluation, treatment, or quarantine based on concerns, conditions or events related to COVId-19, yada yada

The government has gone so far to say that certain people with specific medical conditions are at a much higher risk and should avoid personal contact with everyone. If you fall into any of those categories it would be hard for the company to deny any negotiated benefit, especially with a Dr note.

That would be me, over 60 years old with multiple immunosuppressant drugs
I have been here for 30 years with no problem until now

I voted yes on TA2. Got me.

My wife has a rare lung disease (10% death rate without covid-19) that isn’t curable and my son has severe asthma. I’m doing the paperwork too. They are going to pay me to not work because of my family. Look, I’m not impressed with Delta lately but this is a good deal.

well, you had better be prepared to comply with their arbitrary unpublished requirements or you will be doing the paperwork again… Just my experience

Not making this a ****ing contest so I’m sorry if you took it that way. Did ALPA help? I spoke with them and they have walked me how to go about it if things get worse. They had told me specifically to put an end date. Just curious what troubles you’ve seen.

My argument was based on I feel like this is a non contractural thing and thus I’m willing to get bogged in BS.

ALPA did help but I have been informed from management that they have tightened the requirements since initially publicizing them therefore changing the rules. I find that part just tasteful and unacceptable This is an affront directed toward the Pilot group.
Who knows what an appropriate and date is?

Agreed. I was just going to tell the doc to make it a year out. I didn’t really think anything if that.

Changing the goalposts is disingenuous. Take back what I said. Par for the course lately at DAL.

Well the BS thing here is that there isn't a damn thing essential about flying business personnel or vacationers or whomever right now. The ONLY people that should be on aircraft, and that's a big IF, are critical medical personnel and critical gov't personnel. The notion that we are essential is laughable at best, damn near criminal at worst. I had no problem going to combat multiple upon multiple times over 20+ years, but NEVER did it place my family in immediate harms way. This DOES on too many fronts. I live in FL and TODAY a pax from NYC to JAX was caught with active COVID-19 in the back (caught by National Guard guys) (thanks guys by the way!). The problem is some don't know they got it, while others do know and fly anyway. My opinion is that the company is deliberately and unabashedly placing us all and our families in harms way by not just shutting down the operation for a few weeks. I'd like to see all the managers/leaders fly back and forth to NYC, layover in a scuzzy motel, eat in a local restaurant and use public transportation to go back and forth for the next 4 weeks and try to fly and be responsible for 200+ peoples lives an NOT be distracted. I love our company and I love working here, but right now it seems we need to put each other's families a little higher on the totem pole of importance rather than flying that next line.

right on. The rational argument is being totally ignored by the company and frankly by the union. Every one of us is being put in jeopardy just by the desire to keep the operation going. Everything else be damned this is the elephant in the room. Why are we ignoring this?

Maybe the rational people have suddenly gotten sick?

As good as any answer I've heard so far

I understand your concern and hope you fair well against mgmt..I wonder how many FA's and pilots have tested positive? The company is keeping that very quiet.

Have your doctor word it with an end date such as April 30, 2020 at that time we will re-evaluate the situation. And if they still don’t accept it, contact ALPA, contact the press.... see how well the Delta Family takes care of you.

E.B.-“Crisis doesn’t build character, it reveals it.” I guess we are quickly getting to see what the character of DAL is.

I understand the frustration. I was able to utilize the LOA because my 4 month old daughter is high risk. They gave me a 14 day No Fly with no problems and said I could extend it. When the time came to extend it they gave me push back. Apparently the note from my daughter's doctor didn't use the specific word quarantine or have a specific date. I was able to get another note with the word quarantine and a recommendation not to fly until the end of May. I did everything the CPO asked and they only extended the No Fly 14 more days, not until the end of May like her doctor recommended. I have to get another note at the end of the 14 days. I feel like I am being a burden to her doctors

Congrats on the new baby girl!

More Delta pilot pushing. Try to make things just onerous enough that you decide it isn’t worth the trouble.
See? They didn’t deny you anything, did they?

I don’t know. It doesn’t seem that onerous to me. Two weeks time off with pay and all you have to do is get a note from the doctor.

What would you suggest?

We may flatten the curve but this thing isn’t going away anytime soon and a vaccine is supposedly a year to 18 months away.

At what point does the risk become worth it? You can’t live in a cave forever. I think a periodic re-evaluation with your medical professional seems in order. Is every two weeks the right number or maybe 4, I don’t know but probably should be codified at some point.

Delta is a “family first” organization, right?

Ya, Manson family.

I love you, man! :D

My wife keeps asking me to call in sick for all my rotations. I understand her worries and her stress. I have said this more than once. I WILL NOT feign sickness because I am scared. I WILL NOT do so because someone else will be assigned to cover for me. I WILL NOT expect someone to do what I am not willing to do myself. Anyone who thinks otherwise is....well.....I’m sure you get the point.

I have isolated myself from my family until this is over as long as I am working. Not ideal but I don’t expect someone else to do my job for me because of risk. Life is risk anyway.

Some other wittier poster already addressed this somewhere earlier.

Don't just practice "Social Distancing".

Practice "Spousal Distancing" (I thought that's what going a a 4 day trip was for?)

if you’re scared to go to work (your words) then you’d arguably not be fit to fly. If you’re stressed out about family life maybe you’re not fit to fly. Just being devils advocate here. No one really needs to go Palm Springs, vegas, et al right now. This is not a war.