Originally Posted by DALFA

Has anyone else seen the Youtube video from yesterday where DALPA reps talk about COVID-19 and management hiding the numbers and telling pilots not to inform crews they've worked with?

Originally Posted by captainchipotle

Well,

it’s clear where JL stands. Clearly we are being pitted against the other employee groups.

Time to unite and hold the line gents. I’m hoping ALPA holds firm.

if there’s one lesson learned, it’s that the company will take and take, but not give back.

Originally Posted by Herkflyr

...Nevertheless the company should have offered the SILs for May. It was a huge mistake not to. Surely in all that Delta public relations world they could have spun it well enough (and truthfully enough) to placate the noncons. We don't have to be in their face (no need to yell "get a union!") but something as simple as "we made a deal with the pilots on extreme short notice, our fleet complexity and FAA requirements make a comparison between pilots and others groups impossible, we'll reassess in a month, blah blah" would have gone a long way. The fact the company didn't even try, and didn't get any metrics (and we are a data obsessed company, normally) is troubling.

Originally Posted by 53x11

Yes, that video was more of a dry run for today’s video conference. They did mention a number and that they’ve been told some CP’s have told pilots it’s a CDC thing and not your job to tell other coworkers you’re sick.

Originally Posted by captkdobbs

Absolutely, positively this^^^

The thing is, if they HAD done this, we would not be nearly as solidified as a pilot group. You make the perfect, logical argument FOR offering SILs for May, and maybe even June, and I'm fairly certain that the spin-doctors could have storied it so as to placate all working groups; they sort of did us a favor by solidifying our resolve and unity as a pilot group.

The thing about JL's 4/2 email; as I read the third paragraph regarding discussions with ALPA, what just p!$$ed me off was his assertion that 'everyone but the pilots' are doing their part. The simple fact of the April rebid in addition to the fact that we'll be min-contract ALV for the foreseeable future means that the pilots ARE reducing DL cost.

Rant over.

Originally Posted by Herkflyr

Because lower ALVs mean less take home pay for pilots, who are still working, albeit less than normal, just like the workers now working 3-4 day weeks. They can relate and don't see a special "good deal" for pilots vs them.

The SILs are PLOAs that pay 2/3 of a months salary while owing zero obligation to the company....just like the company granted thousands of similar PLOAs to the noncons.... for zero pay.

Surely you see the difference?

Nevertheless the company should have offered the SILs for May. It was a huge mistake not to. Surely in all that Delta public relations world they could have spun it well enough (and truthfully enough) to placate the noncons. We don't have to be in their face (no need to yell "get a union!") but something as simple as "we made a deal with the pilots on extreme short notice, our fleet complexity and FAA requirements make a comparison between pilots and others groups impossible, we'll reassess in a month, blah blah" would have gone a long way. The fact the company didn't even try, and didn't get any metrics (and we are a data obsessed company, normally) is troubling.

Originally Posted by mikea72580

For some of us, it’s hard to admit that you are absolutely correct.

But there are two items that the company has to accept.

1) Pilots can only recoup about 30% of their pay on unemployment. Most non-cons will take short leaves, recoup the majority of their pay, and then return with no obligation to have their hours cut. We do not have that option.

2) Unlike flight attendants, who were made whole a decade ago, we are still trying to undo the damage from 20 years ago, and in the face of 6 Billion dollar profits, were making very little progress. Our history of career setback, is much worse. There is every expectation that concessions we take now will take a decade to recoup.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

in pilot terms, we have no memory items that need to be performed. Lets run the checklist (PWA), in a nice, slow and methodical manner so we don't make mistakes.

Originally Posted by velosnow

Yeah way to make us dig in even more JL, this is regional-esque bush-league crap right here.