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Old 05-17-2020, 05:13 AM
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What do your crystal balls tell you about what each base's bid packs will look like for the 350? I've gotten to wondering how the X day block restrictions and Mininum Separation Length rules will change with multiple bases. Compared to DTW-only packages, I'm guessing there will be fewer long (>54) layovers, even less trip variety, and shorter rotations in general.
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Leo the CEO says he is bringing back simple fares and we will operate the 350 to MCO and DFW 12x daily with $25 walk up. Jamie Baker with JP Morgan called the new transparency in ticket pricing a brilliant move and reiterated his $112 price target on American.
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Originally Posted by TED74 View Post
What do your crystal balls tell you about what each base's bid packs will look like for the 350? I've gotten to wondering how the X day block restrictions and Mininum Separation Length rules will change with multiple bases. Compared to DTW-only packages, I'm guessing there will be fewer long (>54) layovers, even less trip variety, and shorter rotations in general.
I think you're right.
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What do your crystal balls tell you about what each base's bid packs will look like for the 350? I've gotten to wondering how the X day block restrictions and Mininum Separation Length rules will change with multiple bases. Compared to DTW-only packages, I'm guessing there will be fewer long (>54) layovers, even less trip variety, and shorter rotations in general.
Just look at the 777 bid packages for the appropriate bases. I'd expect it to be a mirror image for the 350, aside from new markets. Los Angeles to Auckland was in the crosshairs for the 350 prior to Covid. Your thoughts on reduced "acclimation" layovers are probably correct. When the 350 does LAX-PVG out of the DTW domicile, there is a > 48 hr. layover in LAX between PVG turns. When PVG is flown by the 777 out of LAX, of course that long ground time is simply space between rotations and the front/back end DH legs are not in play. I haven't paid attention to the min separation lengths, but I thought all widebodies were on 4/99/4 generally?
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Just look at the 777 bid packages for the appropriate bases. I'd expect it to be a mirror image for the 350, aside from new markets. Los Angeles to Auckland was in the crosshairs for the 350 prior to Covid. Your thoughts on reduced "acclimation" layovers are probably correct. When the 350 does LAX-PVG out of the DTW domicile, there is a > 48 hr. layover in LAX between PVG turns. When PVG is flown by the 777 out of LAX, of course that long ground time is simply space between rotations and the front/back end DH legs are not in play. I haven't paid attention to the min separation lengths, but I thought all widebodies were on 4/99/4 generally?
Good info, thanks.

DTW350 was limited to 2 X day blocks every time I looked at it. With MSL in play, restrictions on PDs and X day movement made the category unappealing.
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What do your crystal balls tell you about what each base's bid packs will look like for the 350? I've gotten to wondering how the X day block restrictions and Mininum Separation Length rules will change with multiple bases. Compared to DTW-only packages, I'm guessing there will be fewer long (>54) layovers, even less trip variety, and shorter rotations in general.
Pretty sure the 350 will no longer have MSLs because of the opening of the ATL and LAX bases. In order to have a MSL, 20% or more of the published trips for the month have to be 9 days or longer. The 9-day trips that generated the MSL were the result of the sodomizer not wanting to put DHs to/from LAX and/or ATL onto a rotation (credit is evil) as well as the FRMS rest requirements which drove the long layovers and thus the long trips. Having a base in each of the former 9-day layover cities should mean shorter trips (less than 9-days and likely just out-and-back for Pacific trips) and therefore no MSL to contend with.
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Qater returned the 4 Latam A350s they were leasing yesterday earlier than expected will we take them.early or stay on orginal schedule?
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Qater returned the 4 Latam A350s they were leasing yesterday earlier than expected will we take them.early or stay on orginal schedule?
Early. Bad timing is all this really is.
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