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Old 05-20-2020, 03:20 PM   #1  
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Just read the May 20th email from ALPA Joe DePete. I found this interesting about the bill that just passed in the House:

Case in point is the U.S. House of Representatives' recent passage of the HEROES Act, the next iteration of economic relief legislation. Importantly, the bill contains language preventing CARES Act grant recipients from conducting involuntary furloughs until the exhaustion of the financial assistance they receive through September 30 or later.

So if I'm reading that correctly whatever money Delta received for employee payroll must be depleted before a furlough can occur. I don't know what our payroll currently is but we have a lot of people on unpaid leaves verses what our payroll was the same time period last year.
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My guess is this Act, in its current form, won't get past the Senate.

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I've heard, not sure, it will allow more tax deductions(state and local taxes). That would make Congress my hero.
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I've heard, not sure, it will allow more tax deductions(state and local taxes). That would make Congress my hero.
It's DOA in the senate, and the President won't sign.
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I've heard, not sure, it will allow more tax deductions(state and local taxes). That would make Congress my hero.
Only for tax years 2020 and 2021 unfortunately. Yes, Iím one of the many Americans who saw their taxes go up thanks to the recent GOP tax reform. Trump has proven to be the most tax and spend president in recent history.
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Just read the May 20th email from ALPA Joe DePete. I found this interesting about the bill that just passed in the House:

Case in point is the U.S. House of Representatives' recent passage of the HEROES Act, the next iteration of economic relief legislation. Importantly, the bill contains language preventing CARES Act grant recipients from conducting involuntary furloughs until the exhaustion of the financial assistance they receive through September 30 or later.

So if I'm reading that correctly whatever money Delta received for employee payroll must be depleted before a furlough can occur. I don't know what our payroll currently is but we have a lot of people on unpaid leaves verses what our payroll was the same time period last year.
I suspect this would be very easy for companies to get around. Burning $50M+ per day, management could easily show that they burned through the money, even with the leaves. At the end of the day, it would just come down to a financial shell game; and considering how smart our management is, Iím sure they could easily (and legitimately) show that the grant money was all used up, and be off the hook before Oct 1st.
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I suspect this would be very easy for companies to get around. Burning $50M+ per day, management could easily show that they burned through the money, even with the leaves. At the end of the day, it would just come down to a financial shell game; and considering how smart our management is, Iím sure they could easily (and legitimately) show that the grant money was all used up, and be off the hook before Oct 1st.
Was the grant money not earmarked spicifically for payroll and benefits? They either did or didn't spend it on payroll; that's not so easy to shell game.

The National Law Review summarizes it like this:

"In accordance with the CARES Act, all aid recipients must use the payroll support payments exclusively to cover the cost of payroll and benefits."

All the unpaid leaves they keep touting do nothing to bolster any case that their burn rate somehow accelerated payroll and benefit expenditures.
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Was the grant money not earmarked specifically for payroll and benefits? They either did or didn't spend it on payroll; that's not so easy to shell game.
Benefits... what's a benefit... it's pretty easy to find things that are benefits to the employee that use up the money.

Plus, it's not getting past the senate or the President, so it's a moo point.
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Yeah the high tax states want to give their rich constituents a huge windfall. Likely not going to be in the final bill.

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Yeah the high tax states want to give their rich constituents a huge windfall. Likely not going to be in the final bill.
So itís only ok when the GOP does it?
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